Textual Criticism?

I am not the one making a claim re the F35 text so you are the one that has to provide the proof that what you are claiming is indeed true.

You have made the bold claim now provide the proof to back it up. I am not denying that the K^r Greek texts have been collated, but that does not mean they are equal to the autographs as you have been claiming. Do you think that they do not do that with other manuscripts that they have under study?

Why are you so wedded to the idea that the F35 are the equal of the autographs? Would your trust in the bible be shaken if you admitted that that idea is just that an idea.

 

What is the date range of the F35 MSS?

 

In that case, no case has been made either.

AFAICT, the only case that has been made is that a select set of MSS have a high degree of uniformity among themselves.

 

Or perhaps learned opinion?
I am worried about you though. Have we offended you in someway? Do you see opposing opinions as hurting your faith or something. To clarify, all Greek Texts are the Word of God. Some have higher degrees of accuracy, but they are all the Word of God. Isn't it alright to discuss such things? To explore the matter? No one is demanding that you agree. Just consider.

So what are your rankings for accuracy of the above Greek Texts? What would your rankings look like?

 

A 1977 edition was a long time ago. His latest 4th edition is the one to get.

The Identity of the New Testament Text IV Paperback – October 7, 2014
by Wilbur N Pickering Phd (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Identity-New...12-8142-c9221daee3e4&pd_rd_i=0989827356&psc=1

 

So you are depending upon F35 to prove F35. That is illogical and you know it but you just refuse to accept it.

Actually it is the opposite of logical. He did not nor have you based your conclusions on empirical evidence. He concluded that the F35 texts were the best and actually the text of the autographs. That is a far reach, but you are welcome to believe it.

 

No you have not offended me or hurt my feelings. Why would you think that what you say would cause me to question my faith? My faith is in Christ Jesus and that is not affected by others opinions.
Have we not been discussing the word of God as found in the Greek texts? I have been asking you to give me the proof you have that the F35 is the best text and reflects the autographs. What I have been given is that the F35 proves the F35. Not what I would call compelling evidence.

Read back over my posts, I have looked at a number of sites and listened to the video's that 37 posted. As I said to 37, if you want to think that F35 reflects the autographs that is your choice.

As for weighting the various text families. I just want the best texts used to produce the best bible translation we can have, but unlike some on this board I do not think we have manuscripts that will give us the autographs.

 

This is how you identify versions that God is disturbed with.

 

Why would God be disturbed with them? Translations are just that...translations....they have mans opinions worked into them no matter how man tries to keep his own biases out.

 

No, this is how you define if a version is based on the Textus Receptus or not. Only the Textus Receptus has this verse, interpolated from the Latin.

 

Let me put it this way; out of almost 100 posts about the Bible on this thread, yours is the only other one that mentions "God", "Jesus","The Holy Spirit", "The Triune GODHEAD", etc., unless the videos I haven't seen do mention them, if that means anything, as far as something disturbing to our Creator God.

The evidence for I John 5:7 is ancient and overwhelming, from what I can see, and from the list of the most 400* something omissions and alterations that include those with references to Deity, like above, deleted from underlying texts, I can't help but suspect the priority taken to eliminate their influence is actually more than the bias of men.

Nice friendly attempt at a very natural defence, though.

However couldn't the overriding, ever present, existence of Divinity have still been easily maintained in our postings and in texts for a Book that is supposed to exalt and reveal Him, even though we are men and the translators are people?

What is the precedent?

Where did the priority for assigning doubt to JESUS' Deity, for example, come from?

What is the suspected rush toward eliminating God from the Bible altogether?

Where is the Holy Spirit?

Looks like the wrong direction we are going with it to me and that that direction would be extremely offensive to God.

Enough so that I view His having allowed the omissions of references to Dirty, in His Providence, as being Judgment upon Apostate 'Christianity'.

How far off do you think I am?
...
My KJVO designation according to Dr. Bob on the
Bible Versions & Translations forum at Definitions of KJV Only is a 2.5, btw, if I may say so.

"KJVO #2 "I BELIEVE THE UNDERLYING GREEK/HEBREW TEXT OF THE KJV IS BEST"

"This group believes that the MT (Majority Text) or the TR (Textus Receptus) -- even though there are obvious differences in the two -- are "superior" to all other Greek documents and more closely reflect the original autographs. They do not believe that the TR or the Majority Text is perfect in any one printed copy. They believe that the King James Version, based on this text, is the clearest and most accurate translation that we have in English today.

"KJVO #3 "I BELIEVE IN THE RECEIVED TEXT ONLY"

( Not this part = strike through material
"This group would consider the TR has either been "supernaturally preserved" or even "inspired" and hence remain inerrant through the providential hand of God. They believe that the TR is verbally identical to the original autographs."

( But yes, this half of #3
"They consider any English translation from "inferior" Greek texts of W/H (Wescott & Hort) or UBS/Nestle-Aland (United Bible Society) as to be sub-standard and inaccurate."

*See list with several posts to include all of the 448 most egregious changes at: Don't cut the baby (DCTB) vs Cut the baby (CTB).

 

That would be contradicting what I had said about it, before.

You won't catch me saying anything like that...

I John 5:7