Featured What are the specific biblical instructions concerning translating God’s words into other languages

POINT #1
Focus please, focus! If you insist on discussing the KJV, fine. Let’s start a thread on the topic, but this thread is not about that. This thread is about what God instructs about translating his own testimony in words of other languages. You have advanced the notion that since any and all translations are uninspired and God is not involved in them then it is the prerogative of any man, group, or organization to present a translation or paraphrase at any time they choose and that God either sanctions it or is disinterested in the practice.

I just would like to know where he addresses this subject and if you want to quote the original autographs to answer the question it is fine with me. The only word I have on the scriptures is that all scripture is inspired of God and I actually believe the words of a translation can be inspired of God, but only one per language. What would be the point of more especially when the teacher of those inspired words, the Spirit of God is a permanent and ever present resident in the bodies of the redeemed.

Point #2
Your point #2 taken from Mk 16:15-16 to prove your thesis will not work logically. The disciples were given a commission and the history of their actions written in the Acts of the apostles allows us to see how they understood the command. Follow this logic.

Mark 16:15-16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Here is Peter preaching 50 days later answering the question of the Jews. See what is said.

Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

receiving the Holy Ghost is the definition of being saved and Peter’s command to the Jews was obedience to the command of Jesus in Mark 16.


Acts 10:39-48
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

The take away on these verses and reconciling the difference in Peters practice of baptism lies in the meaning of the term “creature.” Jesus did not send them out to preach and baptize the world of the creature, but the creature of the world. The Jews are the creatures.

 

I want to digress from my point of the op for this one response because it is demonstrably evident from your comments that you men have no ability to process biblical information and to make reasonable and logical judgements from a given text of scripture. It seems you have been dumbed down by the present philosophical opinions of the end days of this age.

Mark 16 records some of the last words of Jesus to his disciples before he ascended back to heaven where he remains to this very day. Before he left he gave his disciples some instructions. We have a historical document called the Acts of the apostles that chronicles the next 40 years until all the apostles were dead, saving one. This is the unfolding of the history and we can easily see by reading it how the apostles understood their charge by what they did to obey it.

Now Silverhair, you quoted something that Jesus told the apostles to do, but you did not quote everything Jesus said. Jesus had just before said this to these men who had ministered with him for three years to the Jews. Take a look;

Mr 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Notice the very next thing after this that Jesus spoke to these men who did not believe the gospel of his resurrection.

Focus;

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The creatures to whom they were sent with the same good news of Jesus and his resurrection must believe and be baptized to be saved. I did not make that up. I read it in the text. If you have read this whole post so far, you read it too.

So, 50 days later what did Peter say to the creatures? I will post what he said and to whom he said it.

Ac 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Here then is the question from these creatures;

Ac 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

The answer to the question is going to shock everyone who has been posting on this board because Peter is going to say the exact same thing Jesus said in Mark 16. Watch it.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Receiving the Holy Ghost is salvation. Jesus had told them concerning the creatures, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Peter told them what Jesus told him.

But when Peter opened the door of faith to the gentiles 10 years later he said no such thing to them. They received the holy Ghost the moment they believed and without baptism. Read the record for yourself;

Ac 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

I conclude that the commission in Mark 16 is an apostolic commission to Israel and not a church wide commission of evangelism to the world at large.

 

Here is a very troubling thing that has been exposed by this op. These are all Baptists if they are honest because this is a sections for Baptists only. The apostasy has progressed much farther than I had expected. Not a single Baptist can answer the question of the thread. Neither can they follow the historical narrative and draw logical conclusions from the texts. They attack me because I have asked a question they cannot answer. The simple and true answer is that God has not put the burden of translating and preserving his scriptures upon men. Those men who disagree and translate because they presume that God wants them to are guilty of presumptuous sins, no?.

The Baptists here are mean spirited and vicious. I have felt their cuts. Here is a comprehensive look at the word of God that is still to this day preserved in translations that he has ordained.

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

I understand you cannot give a biblical answer to the question of the op but do you also fail to understand that 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel with whom God had made immutable and eternal covenants with as a single whole had been separated and driven off the land into the nations since 722 BC? Have you never read the prophesy of Hosea, who delivered the prophesy to this northern kingdom of Israel of their national demise but in the same breath prophesied of a new birth for them? Now with the resurrected Jesus as the agent of their new birth they now have the opportunity of being accepted back into the family of God and this is what is on the mind of Jesus with this apostolic commission to go to them with the good news.where are they? They are in the world. How will they hear the good news from the apostles seeing they do not know the language of the Jews? Well, God will have them hear the apostles preach in the language of their physical births.


Hosea 1:9-11
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

For anyone to become a child of God requires a new birth into his family. This can only be accomplished through faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Now you can see why God brought the whole nation together atPentecost was so he could.give everyone of them his Spirit, who is the agent of the new birth.
Sadly, they rejected him as a whole, only a relatively few receiving his salvation.

Thus Israel’s rejection of life through Christ became the gentiles opportunity to have life. The creatures in Mark 16 are the tribes of Israel.

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No it does not.

Guys, I have only asked you to confirm by scripture that God wants a continious string of translations in the same language and that he has addressed our responsibility as believers to translate the scriptures. I am being very bold here and assuming that you fellows are aware that the scriptures are called both the word and the words of God and claim inspiration for themselves.

Just for information for this discussion, I am not claiming myself that the word of God, the scriptures, must be present for a person to be saved. What it takes for a person to be saved is a preacher with a testimony of being saved himself and who will make known who God is and what he has done for sinners through his son, Jesus Christ. This is called the gospel of God. He can be saved whether he ever sees a Bible.

However, to understand the mysteries of God and the deep things of God one must have been born again and have the Spirit of God in him. It is the indwelling Spirt who enlightens the mind through the written word of God. These truths are dependent on the words that God has chosen because his truths are in his words. These words must be studied and believed.

1 Cor 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

If any of you men thinks it is just good enough to have a Bible to know God and his ways you are fooling yourselves. One must have an inspired Bible AND the indwelling Spirit of God to have spiritual understanding. Be sure you understand what I am saying. Sinners can be saved and remain ignorant. The same epistle in the next chapter calls it remaining babes in Christ and I will quote the pit falls of that eventuality in my next post. Some of you fellows here are in that condition because you are following skillful deniers of truth and you desire that you be perceived by others as among the smartest people in the room. It is a terrible trade off.