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TRANSFIGURATION OF CHRIST.

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Alex2165, Jun 9, 2023.

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  1. Alex2165

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    Reading Luke 22.43-44, it came to my mind that I actually read similar episode in other Gospels.

    This was happened on the Mount of Olives (verse 39), the same Mount where transfiguration of Christ is described in other Gospels. Appearance of Moses and Elijah to Christ during His prayer is not presented in all accounts, and transfiguration of Christ described differently from one account to another.

    In all three accounts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, transfiguration of Christ was described twice and differently from one another.


    ~ In Matthew account, Jesus took Peter, James, and John and went on the mountain to pray (the mountain probably was the Mount of Olives).

    "And He was transfigured before them, and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light, and Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with Him." (Matthew 17.1-9).

    In another account of Matthew Jesus again prayed in "a place called Gethsemane," which is also called as the Mount of Olives, and He took Peter, John, and James with Him. In this account of Matthew no any appearance of an angel or angels is recorded and no any transfigurations described (Matthew 26.36.39-44).



    ~ In Mark also indicated that Jesus took three of His disciples (Peter, James, and John) and went to "a place called Gethsemane" the Mount of Olives to pray, and Moses and Elijah appeared to Him, "and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on Earth can whiter them." (Mark 9.2-9).

    In another account of Mark Jesus also went to Gethsemane and took Peter, James and John, but no any transfigurations is described in this account (Mark 14.32-42).



    ~ In one account of Luke Jesus took Peter, John, and James, and went on the mountain (most likely Gethsemane - Mount of Olives) to pray. Moses and Elijah appeared to Him, "And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming." (Luke 9.28-38).

    In another account of Luke (Luke 22.43-44) he wrote that Jesus went on the Mount of Olives with His disciples to pray, but disciples are not indicated by their names.

    An angel appeared to Jesus during His prayer and strengthening Him, but no name of the angel and who he was not given.

    Considering Moses and Elijah as the angels of the Lord, in account of Luke 22.43 only one angel is mentioned, and transfiguration of Christ recorded differently from other accounts, "And being in agony He was praying very fervently, and His sweat became like drops of blood falling down upon the ground." (Luke 22.44).


    So, here is a question, "How many transfigurations Jesus actually had?" It seems only to answers can be given. First, perhaps all writers describing the same transfiguration of Christ, as they remember it.

    Second, Jesus may have two different transfigurations, but problem is that these transfigurations are described very much at the same place, with the same disciples, and shortly before Jesus' arrest, so it still looks like that they are describing the same single event.


    Concerning Jesus' general physical appearance, description of Isaiah perhaps the most vivid one: "He has no stately form or majesty that we should look upon Him, nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him." (Isaiah 53.2).
     
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    It’s Jesus Loving Presence that transfigures us, we have no stately form or majesty that people should look upon us, nor appearance that people should be attracted to us.
    It’s peoples souls that recognise Jesus in us, no words need be exchanged. Outward appearance means nothing when Jesus ministers through us. Jesus Holy Loving Presence is unseen outwardly but is seen inwardly, in the spirit.

    Getting glimpses of Jesus working through us is a gift, but the greatest gift is the holy privilege of having Jesus with us in the first place. Praise and thanksgiving should be always be in us.

    Self, fallen and broken is the enemy of the Incarnation of Jesus in us. When you recognise self has taken control again, stop and hand back over to Jesus.
    Don’t get disheartened and frustrated, just start again, hand over self and put on Christ.
    It’s the getting up again that gives Him Glory.

    Your desire for Jesus first and to be rid of self, let’s Jesus take over again. We can only have the desire, Jesus makes it happen. Be a cheerful and thankful giver, be glad deep in your inner most part to hand self over.

    We must long for Jesus with all that we are, not be lukewarm and half hearted, our longing is then fire of His Fire, fit to meet with His longing.
    Longing meets Longing, Love meets Love, Joy meets Joy.

    If you don’t have this longing, pray for it, ask in The Name of His Love, and through Jesus merits, not your own.

    We can appropriate Jesus merits, Jesus wants us to, for this He laboured, suffered and died.

    Prayer in and with Jesus merits will obtain everything meant for you in The Fathers Holy Will.

    You will be the Light of the world, because Jesus will Shine out through you.
     
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    It’s not so much that Jesus needs permission to take us over, He has all the power that is or will ever be, it is that He is a great and Sovereign King, a King that receives no tainted or blemished gift.

    He gives All in His giving and expects no dull lukewarm gift that insults the Majesty of His Love.

    Jesus saw the widows mite offered in the Temple as the greatest treasure offered Him, it was the offering of everything, whatever that everything consisted of. It was giving how He gives, Everything, holding nothing back.

    We are transfigured before God when we offer everything, not lame, blemished and crippled offerings.

    We stand out markedly like the widow in the Temple to Jesus, when we make that offering of everything.

    If you are real with Jesus, Jesus will be real with you.
     
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    People want to pitch their tents around Jesus, His Presence is Peace and Goodness the mind can not understand, but the heart understands. The heart wants to stay forever, the heart says, this is my home.

    They just know Jesus in their hearts.

    “ This people honours me with their lips, yet their hearts are far from me “.

    Jesus wants hearts. When you see Jesus with your heart, it is a transfiguration. Jesus is not just a historical figure on a page, He is real, He is here.
     
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