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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jun 8, 2023.

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    Said promise is only to, ". . . He that overcometh, . . ."
     
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    Once again we are believe what the Bible teaches, not what it never says. Only he that overcomes, those placed within Christ spiritually, have their names written in the Lamb's book of life. There is of course no need to blot out names never entered. :)

    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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    " Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." ( Ephesians 1:3-6 )

    " The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." ( Revelation 17:8 ).


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    For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world." ( Hebrews 4:3 ).
     
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    Really? Neither Revelation 20:15 or Revelation 3:5 are qualified that they are the Lamb's book. I agree they are along with Exodus 32:33 and Psalms 69:27-28, which you deny. Because they do not say so, even as Revelation 3:5 and Revelation 20:15 do not.
     
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    First you make one wrong claim about Revelation 3:5, now you claim something else.

    Rev 3:5
    ‘The one who overcomes will be clothed the same way, in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
    1) First bogus claim, this indicates Christ will erase names from the Lamb's book of life.
    2) Second bogus claim, this does not refer to the Lamb's book of life.

    Biblical truth: This verse tells us those transferred into Christ, thus overcomers, will not be thrown into the Lake of Fire, because once saved, always saved.​
     
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    Wrong.
    Does not say they are.
    But I do agree they are the Lamb's book.
     
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    LOL, now Revelation 3:5 is referring to the Lamb's book of life and Jesus will not erase names of the overcomers from it. :)
     
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    When are names written in the Lamb's book of life?

    As to the answer. Nowhere does the written word of God actually say.
     
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    The Greek word is "apo" and means "out of" or "from" when location is in view and after or since when time sequence is in view.
    Thus when were God's works finished. Before or since the "foundation of the world?" Since.
    When were names not written and therefore other names written? Since
    Therefore:
    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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    Once again the false claim is made.

    Who is allowed to enter the "New Jerusalem?" See Revelation 21:27 No one comes into "it" (the city) unless their names are written in the Lamb's book of life. So we know names are written before they enter. And what is the characteristic of these entering? Nothing "unclean!" Thus they have been made "perfect."

    Hebrews 12:22-23
    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,
    to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, ​

    And here we learn that those who have been, past tense, made perfect are enrolled in heaven. So names are written after being made perfect and before joining the church of the firstborn.

    Therefore the written word of God actually says when the names are written, after being made perfect and before becoming part of the church of the first born. Obviously when we undergo the washing of regeneration is when our names are written. It is a lock.
     
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    When do individuals undergo the washing of regeneration. When God credits their faith as righteousness and transfers them into Christ's body spiritually. The body of course is the church of the first born. All who follow Christ in regeneration are born anew and join His church of the firstborn. After we are given to Christ, Christ has promised to not cast us out, and to not blot us out of His book!

    Names are never blotted out of the Lamb's book of Life. Full Stop
     
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    Well, that does explain your interpertation. You are firm in your view, so understanding my view does not matter. We do not agree.
     
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    Not my view, but the Biblical View as supported by specific scripture.

    1) Does anyone enter the city without first being made perfect? Nope
    2) When are people made spiritually perfect? Only when transferred spiritually into Christ.
    3) How are people made spiritually perfect? When they undergo the washing of regeneration, AKA the circumcision of Christ.
    4) When do we enter the heavenly Jerusalem? After being made perfect!
    5) Only those whose names are found in the Lamb's book of life enter the heavenly Jerusalem.

    The issue is not believing my view, the issue is not believing God's word.
     
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    You believe your view is solely the Bible view.

    Why names have not been written there?
     
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    I presented the Biblical View, and you have ignored God's word.
    Did I say the correct view of scripture is the only view of scripture? Nope
     
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    You're funny.
     
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    Ever wonder why so many posts address me rather than the topic. Perhaps because they are unwilling to state specifically what view they hold.

    Not my view, but the Biblical View as supported by specific scripture.

    1) Does anyone enter the city without first being made perfect? Nope
    2) When are people made spiritually perfect? Only when transferred spiritually into Christ.
    3) How are people made spiritually perfect? When they undergo the washing of regeneration, AKA the circumcision of Christ.
    4) When do we enter the heavenly Jerusalem? After being made perfect!
    5) Only those whose names are found in the Lamb's book of life enter the heavenly Jerusalem. ​
    The issue is not believing my view, the issue is not believing God's word.
     
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    You, I presume, believe your view to be ". . . the Bibical view." I believe my view to be the Biblical view. I do not see making that claim changing anyone's mind.
     
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    You assume that because you hold it, that it is the Biblical view.

    Brother, it is your interpretation of the Biblical verses.
     
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    You are claiming what is not said is true and I am claiming what is said is true.
     
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