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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jun 6, 2023.

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    Here is one of the most important verses for evangelism in my opinion:

    John 21:17 (NASB)
    He *said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love (philo) Me?” Peter was hurt because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus *said to him, “Tend My sheep.

    "All things" is this verse simply translates "all" (pas) as "all things" and once again fosters a mistaken expansion of the scope of the statement beyond the intended scope.

    Thus, this translation choice supports the bogus view that while incarnate Jesus was still omniscient, but we know Jesus did not know the time of His return so He was not omniscient while incarnate if scripture cannot be broken. And lets say, after we look for what "all these" refers, and we are unsure, then our default translation choice is "Lord, You know all these things" which limits the scope of all to whatever we think best fits the context.

    However, the contextual scope here is plain to see, as "do you love me more than these" constrains "all" to Christ's knowledge of Peter's attitude toward Christ and the attitude of His other disciples. Thus, "you know all about us" conveys the actual message and eliminates an argument for a bogus claim.

    Why is this verse important for evangelism? Jesus asks Peter about his sacrificial love, and Peter truthfully says he loves Christ like a brother or dear friend. Jesus asks the same question again. And Peter knows he does not measure up. But then Jesus asks Peter if he loves Him as a brother or dear friend!!! Thus Jesus takes us where we are, even if we are not where we will be one day.
     
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    Luke 2:15
    When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this declaration that has happened which the Lord has made known to us."

    Luke 2:19
    But Mary treasured all these declarations, pondering them in her heart.

    Luke 2:51
    And He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and He continued in subjection to them; and His mother treasured all these declarations in her heart.

    Acts of the Apostles 5:32
    “And we are witnesses of these declarations and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

    Acts of the Apostles10:37
    you yourselves know the declaration which took place throughout all Judea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism which John proclaimed.

    Acts of the Apostles 13:42
    As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these matters might be spoken to them the next Sabbath.

    The above verses are places where "rhema" is translated as "thing(s) in some versions, but where a better, more accurate translation choice is available.
     
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    cannot - or - will not?
     
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    Both.
     
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    Will not, God can do as He pleases, so if it pleased God to change His "immutable attributes" He could based on His power and sovereignty. But it pleases God to be the same, yesterday, today and forever. Humans try to put God in a box, saying He is not almighty, but in order for God to be God He must be over everything, He causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass.
     
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    Matthew 7:12 (NASB)
    “In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    In bible study, we are taught to ask, what is the therefore therefore? In the preceding verses, we learn to ask God for our desires, and we expect God to respond accordingly. Therefore, we should treat others in the same way we expect God to treat us.

    Therefore, in all our interactions, we are to treat others in the same godly way as we want them to treat us.

    The word translated "everything" (or all things) is "pas" meaning all of whatever is in view, and contextually, our interactions with other people is in view.
     
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    Understanding Colossians 1:15 to Colossians 1:20.

    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also the head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.​

    Once again we see "all things" for the Greek word "all" but not presenting what specifically is in view. Here is an interpretive translation supplying specifically what appears to be in view:

    Christ Jesus being the first to be born of all those born anew as a new creation, for by Him all created things were created, in the heavens and on earth, the visible and invisible, including spiritual powers or earthly powers, spiritual elders or earthly governors, all created things have been created through Him and for Him. He is the first of the new creation, and in Him all the new creations hold together. He is also the head of the body, those called out of the domain of darkness, and He is the beginning, the first born from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the divine essence to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all new creations to Himself, whether on earth or in heaven, having made peace with the newly created through the blood of His cross.
     
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