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The Scripture to use to identify the day Christ was crucified.

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    Luke 24:20-21, ". . . And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. . . ."

    The Sabbath was the second day since those things were done.

    Identifying the day those things were done.
     
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    The Sabbath is the first day since Friday.
    The Sabbath is the third day since Wednesday.
    The Sabbath is the second day since Thursday.
     
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    You took a wrong turn at the Sabbath.
     
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    You took a wrong turn at the wrong Sabbath.

    You know that by now, surely to God.
     
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    The seven day Sabbath is the second day since those things were done being the day before that third day in Luke 24:21.
     
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    John 19:31 is the one you want for the OP;
    The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

    The parentheses are in the Bible and is the major clue.
     
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    The seventh day Sabbath during the Passover week is a higher sabbath than the 15th or 21st where food is allowed to be prepared!
     
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    According to some sources, there were two back-to-back Sabbath days observed in the week Jesus died. The first Sabbath was the annual Sabbath on Nisan 15 (Passover Feast), and the second one was the normal, weekly Sabbath observance on Saturday.

    A high day Sabbath refers to a special Sabbath day required by a feast observance regardless of the day of the week upon which it falls. Jesus died on Passover, and the Jewish feast of Passover is always followed the next day by another Jewish feast called the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is always a high day Sabbath according to scripture (Lev 23:6-8), which matches the Bible's testimony that the day after Jesus' death was a Sabbath.

    Leviticus 23:6 "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

    Nison 15, Thursday, The Feast of Unleavened Bread.

    7 "In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.


    The day Jesus died was Wednesday Nison 14 on the Passover for The Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was the day after this Passover, the day of preparation (John 19:14) prior to the start of a High Day Sabbath for the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

    14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

    15 "But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:14-15.

    The Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was a High Day Sabbath, was on Thursday Nison 15.
     
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    Actually, the Sabbath High Day would take precedence over the weekly Sabbath, IF the Sabbath High Day fell on a Saturday, however:

    FAQ: Is a 'high day' a weekly Sabbath?

    "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day (Wednesday, Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar), that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." (John 19:31)

    "What is the "high-day Sabbath" mentioned in this verse? Is it the same as a weekly Sabbath? The answer is no.

    "A high day is technically an annual holy day, or annual Sabbath, as commanded in Leviticus 23. Certainly, the weekly Sabbath is a day to keep holy, but these annual holy days take precedence if they occur on the seventh-day Sabbath.

    "The annual Sabbaths are seven: the first and seventh days of Unleavened Bread,* Pentecost, Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah in Hebrew), Atonement (Yom Kippur), the first day of Tabernacles (Succoth), and the Last Great Day.

    "The first three occur in the spring, and the last four in the fall.

    "Thus, the high day of which John was speaking was one of the three spring holy days, and since Jesus crucifixion took place on the day of Passover (Wednesday, Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar), the high day of which he speaks must be the first day of Unleavened Bread (Thursday, Nisan 15), which falls the day after the Passover (Wednesday, Nisan 14 on the Hebrew calendar).

    ADAPTED FROM:

    What are the “Days of Unleavened Bread?”
    by Pastor Matthew Norville, Sr.

    Some of the confusion arises because many Christians do not understand the Old Testament Jewish calendar.

    They don't understand the difference between the Day of Passover for The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th) when the Passover meal was eaten on the 14th of Nisan on Wednesday,


    and the Feast of Passover The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th) which ran for seven days from the 15th of Nisan through the 21st of Nisan.


    They also do not understand that the “days of unleavened bread” began the day before Passover, on Tuesday, Nisan 13th.

    So, the “Feast of Unleavened Bread” is NOT the same as the “days of unleavened bread.”

    The
    “Feast of Unleavened Bread” (Thursday, Nison 15th through 21st) (BEGAN ON The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the The Feast Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th)

    and The “Feast of Unleavened Bread” (Thursday, Nison 15th through 21st) is only the last seven days of the
    “days of unleavened bread” (Nisan 13th through 21st), below;

    The “days of unleavened bread” were the 13th day through the 21st day of the first month on the Jewish calendar (Abib or Tuesday, Nisan 13th through Wednesday, 21st).


    "Under the Old Covenant, during the Day of Passover (Nisan 14th) and the Feast of Passover (Nisan 15th through 21st), the Jews were forbidden to eat, or even to have, any leavened bread in their homes (Exodus12:6–20, see below this article).

    "(That is why the “Feast of Passover” is sometimes called the “Feast of Unleavened Bread.”)

    "In order to make sure that there was no leaven in their homes by sunset on Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan (Sunset on the 13th would signify the start of the 14th.), the Jews made sure that there was no leaven in their homes by sunset on Monday, the 12th of Nisan (Sunset on the 12th would signify the start of the 13th.).

    "This gave them a one-day “cushion” before Wednesday, the 14th in case they found any leaven in their homes on Tuesday, the 13th.

    "This day, Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan, then became known as “the first day of the days of unleavened bread.”

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    We see in the synoptic gospels that the Word of God calls Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan “the first day of the days of unleavened bread” (Matthew 26:17)

    Matthew 26:17; "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan) the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"

    or
    the first day of unleavened bread" (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan) "when they killed the Passover lamb (Mark 14:12)

    Mark 14:12; "And the first day of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan), when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?"


    or
    the day of unleavened bread when the Passover lamb must be killed (Luke 22:7)

    Luke 22:7,8; "Then came the day of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan), when the passover must be killed.


    8 "And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."




    We also learn from these Scriptures that the people killed their Passover lambs and prepared for their Passover meals during the daytime of (Tuesday) the 13th.

    Then when the evening arrived (meaning it was now Wednesday, the 14th), they celebrated the Passover, Wednesday, the 14th, by eating their Passover meals.


    However, not everybody ate their Passover meal in the evening of Wednesday, the 14th (which means our Tuesday 'evening', when Jesus and the disciples ate the Passover).

    Some people waited until the daytime of Wednesday, the 14th to eat their Passover meal
    (the Pharisees).

    In Matthew 26:17; "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan)


    “Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto Him, ‘Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the Passover?’”



    the first day of the feast of unleavened bread" is the same as Mark 14:12 which says, "the first day of unleavened bread",

    “And the first day of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan), when they killed the Passover, His disciples said unto Him, ‘Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the Passover?’”


    and Luke 22:7–9 says, "the day of unleavened bread",

    “Then came the day of unleavened bread (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan), when the Passover must be killed. And He sent Peter and John, saying, ‘Go and prepare us the Passover, that we may eat.’ And they said unto Him, ‘Where wilt thou that we prepare?’”

    It is clear from these Scriptures that Jesus and His disciples had not yet eaten the Passover meal (Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan).


    The Passover meal was always eaten on
    Wednesday Nisan 14th, which would be after 6 pm on Tuesday, the 13th of Nisan.

    The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY) did not begin until the next day, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th.

    So when the disciples were talking to Jesus about the preparation of the Passover meal, it was during the daytime of Tuesday, Nisan 13th.

    Neither the Passover, on Wednesday Nison 14, for The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th)


    nor The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY) which did not begin until the next day, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th had started yet.



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    Remember that the days of the Jewish calendar went from sunset to sunset—not midnight to midnight. So sometime during the daytime of Tuesday, Nisan 13th, Jesus' disciples prepared for them to eat their Passover meal.

    When the evening came, after 6 pm of Tuesday, Nisan 13th, it became the Wednesday, 14th of Nisan.

    The Word of God then says in Matthew 26:20–21,

    “Now when the evening was come", (after 6 pm of Tuesday, Nisan 13th, when it became the Wednesday, 14th of Nisan)
    "
    He sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat….”

    and in Mark 14:17–18,

    “And in the evening" (after 6 pm of Tuesday, Nisan 13th, when it became the Wednesday, 14th of Nisan)


    "He cometh with the twelve. And as they sat and did eat….”

    and in Luke 22:14,

    “And when the hour was come" (after 6 pm of Tuesday, Nisan 13th, when it became the Wednesday, 14th of Nisan),

    "He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.”

    When the evening came, it became Wednesday, the 14th of Nisan. So Jesus and His disciples then ate the Passover meal.

    Therefore, the disciples prepared for all of them to eat their Passover meal—including the killing of their Passover lamb—during the daytime of Tuesday, Nisan 13th.

    The disciples came to Jesus asking Him where to prepare the Passover meal on the first day of the days of unleavened bread, Tuesday, Nisan 13th.

    They were not asking Him where to prepare the meal on
    Thursday, Nisan 15th, the first day of the feast—after the Day of Passover, Wednesday, Nison 14th and the celebratory meal were over!



    Again, Some of the confusion arises because many Christians do not understand the Old Testament Jewish calendar. They don't understand the difference between the Day of Passover for The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th) when the Passover meal was eaten on the 14th of Nisan on Wednesday,

    and the Feast of Passover The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th) which ran for seven days from the 15th of Nisan through the 21st of Nisan.


    They also do not understand that the “days of unleavened bread” began the day before Passover, on Tuesday, Nisan 13th.

    So, the “Feast of Unleavened Bread” is NOT the same as the “days of unleavened bread.”

    The
    “Feast of Unleavened Bread” (Thursday, Nison 15th through 21st) (BEGAN ON The ACTUAL Feast of Passover (also known as the The Feast Unleavened Bread, THE ANNUAL SABBATH HIGH DAY, THURSDAY, Nisan 15th) and The “Feast of Unleavened Bread” (Thursday, Nison 15th through 21st) is only the last seven days of the “days of unleavened bread” (Nisan 13th through 21st), below;

    The “days of unleavened bread” were the 13th day through the 21st day of the first month on the Jewish calendar (Abib or Tuesday, Nisan 13th through Wednesday, 21st).
     
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