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Preeminent VS The Obscure

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    I believe that there are two types of people… those that are preeminent and those born to be obscure.

    The less fortunate are inclined to become
    envious not asking themselves, of course, why others have more than themselves.
    So Just what produces this predominant footing?

    It is a burning desire to make your mark in this world and it is always earned by sweat , blood and self denial and superior intelligence, and sometimes by superior villainy if I’m being real.

    Now these are my own observations born of experiences… perhaps your observations are different… maybe you disagree, but these are my thoughts & understanding. Feel free to present your own accounts to the subject matter.
     
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    I think scripture tells us to make the best of the cards we are dealt. According to testing for IQ, there is a range of results that take the form of a bell curve. Not very many below 80, and not very many above 120, and so doing our best within the group seems like a sound approach. I have personally known less than a dozen individuals who belonged in the gifted group, and I have not had to provide for people in the challenged group.

    Credentialism, like royalty bestows unmerited favor on the well connected and well funded among us. But like many cultural norms, it will take time to move away from our outdated norms and adopt a more effective form of meritorious reward.

    I had a sister who tested on the south side of the bell curve, but she was, according to my assessment, one of the finest persons I have ever known. Jesus taught about someone with not much but gave all. I will stick with His instruction.
     
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    Giving all is the point. The person who strives will obtain the rewards.. they are the preeminent. In full disclosure, I’m not an idealist, rather I curve to realism. My own sister had the burden of cerebral palsy but eluded love to the best of her ability… in that she was extremely gifted.
     
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    But let me be clear in my original statement, preeminence is the Will and burning desire to succeed, sometimes at great cost. While the living a status quo existence breeds obscurity. If obscurity is one’s choice, then be happy with that.
     
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    Perhaps you might consider other words to describe your concept, as my understanding of preeminence is very different from the concept of a purpose driven life for Christ.
     
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    I know your understanding of preeminence, however it’s not mine. I’m not discussing theology, doctrine or anything of that context… rather I’m referring to drive that rewards a persons efforts to succeed in life. Of course there is a price one pays for that do diligence.
     
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    Drive that rewards efforts to succeed sounds like a purpose driven life, not a life of preeminence. Just saying...
     
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    Please don’t link me to any said pastor or his books ;). Hopefully there is more depth to my theory. :D
     
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    Apparently you think some Pastor "invented" a purpose driven life. Not that the view is superficial. :)
     
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    You meant she exuded love to the best of her ability.
     
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    What does scripture say about "preeminence?"

    First, in verse after verse scripture declares the preeminence of Christ, for He was in the beginning, and is the first born from the dead, the head of the body of believers.

    Second, we, those born anew because of His sacrifice, are called to be the opposite of preeminence.

    Mark 9:35
    And sitting down, He called the twelve and *said to them, “If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.”​
     
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    Creating doctrines of two types is generally a prejudicial game, that is, judgment is inserted at the outset by the one formulating the division.

    The judgment of the Lord is predicated on the principle, “To whom much is given, much will be required” (see Luke 12:48). Thus the admonition to be careful in judging. The only true measure of a man is God’s
     
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    Here is an example of preeminent.

     
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    It’s not judgement, it’s fact born of reality.
     
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    OK, let's play the game.

    1. Who are the "less fortunate"?

    2. What is "this predominant footing"?

    3. Whence "superior intelligence"?

    4. Whence “a burning desire to make your mark in this world"?

    5. Whence the being “extremely gifted”?

    6. What does it mean to “obtain the rewards”? What rewards?
     
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    Not interested in games… some are driven while others are not. Those are preeminent because they put in the work, have critical thinking & problem solving capabilities and use them thus reaping the rewards of hard work, effort, brains and …. Ahhh, but you know this already.
     
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    OK, then actually take it seriously and answer the questions.

    And then get ready to defend the thesis, whatever it is.
     
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    Inane questions aren’t worth the time. If you are really attempting to seek an answer to your hidden agenda, then ask it directly or shut up. 20 questions have no legitimate direction to my op.
     
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    The problem is that the supposed observations have no clear anchor, no explicit basis. Calling the direct questions posed (which directly quoted the OP) inane and illegitimate, among other things, calls into question the validity of whatever the thesis is supposed to be.

    How about clearly spelling out the thesis, defining terms that are being used, showing how they apply? It’s OK to give examples, but explain how they apply. Expecting mind reading is hardly a bona fide method.

    As for the “shut up” (really?) that’s pretty much what you’ve done to yourself so far. Out of fear perhaps? Maybe because to actually engage might expose your own hidden agenda? Funny how that works. :Wink
     
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    I have already unpacked my op however you just can’t understand the explanations given… but here is the hint, none of this has to do with probity, Christianity, morality, idealism etc. Does that help you to form the beginning of understanding or should I press on?
     
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