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Okay, I wouldn't know about when one possess salvation, but it would seem that it wouldn't happen before faith since by faith we are saved. But God is in control of all things, so he purposed in himself from before the world began who he would save, and save them he will. Is that the idea?

Flesh for our flesh, I still think you might have something I am not grasping. We were indeed purchased by his blood, but he still took the punishment we deserve for/in place of us. How would you word it otherwise? God owns everything, he didn't need to purchase humans for them to belong to him did he? Aren't we purchased in that, I don't know im confused now, but he took the punishment we deserve because someone had to take it right? I don't like saying it that way, it seems a little not honoring him enough to say it that way, but I don't know how to say it, someone had to pay the wages of sin which is death right? death is the wages, it is what is due for sin, and since we sined, we were owed death, and it was given to him, not us... is this right?

I also don't understand all the words being used for doctrine. I mean of course we are under the new covenant and the Bible seems to be about primarily the two covenants, Mosaic and by the new covenant by the Lord Jesus Christ's blood.

 

How do you mean in terms of the word establish.

Why do you think it's either or both things you said seem correct.

Well again i don't know what your words mean, neither description is clear to me now that i look again.

 

So you are saying the laws are the laws they are because that is how Jesus lives, not that Jesus came to be obedient?

I mean again i think both are true in certain ways.

But i find your words hard to understand, is it the topic or just my brain.

 

Maybe this conversation shouldn't continue. Or you can give me the names and resources of what you believe, you have no need to try to explain everything.

 

I'm sorry but funny we know this try things are the foundation since Jesus said so when he was asked about the commandment. But your saying instead of it being because that is what God says I'm the Old Testament but because of Jesus. God is one so I'm not sure i really see the difference.

 

How is your mom doing?

 

Thank you for the update. I think i need to read the Bible through a few times before getting into all this stuff much

 

We really meed to know what the inspired scriptures teach and speak to in doctrines before getting into what those gifted by God to write theologies have to say to us!

many would know what Calvin, Spurgeon, Wright et all have written on a subject, but not so much knowing what bible stated!

 

I think you need to understand that the Lord Jesus does not have a different set of laws to His Father. In the Sermon on the Mount He gives the true interpretation of the law; He doesn't create a new set of laws. And saying, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength" will not necessarily teach you to avoid idolatry. You have to go to the Decalogue for that.

 

I can't see how going about trying to keep the 10 comments isn't frustrating the grace of God, not saying i have it all figured out though.

Galatians 2:21 KJV — I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

JonC, have you read “The Normal Christian Life” by Watchman Nee?

We don’t become sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners, due to being in the First Adam. Sin and death came by him.

All in Christ, the Second and Last Adam, are saints. Life and righteousness came by Him.

There are only two “races”. One is in Adam, or one is in Christ.