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Here is the Actual Doctrine as supported in scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly states believers are chosen. Lets stop and agree right there, God chooses believers, not those to be believers.
For what purpose does God choose individuals according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13? For salvation, thus this phrase teaches the purpose of His election.
How does God choose individuals according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13? By setting them apart in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit.
Why does God choose individuals for salvation? "through or on the basis of" faith in the truth! Thus a conditional election.​

 

Why in the world would I need to cite yet more evidence, when all you will do is post "taint so?"

What does 2 Thessalonians 2:13 mean?
As Paul reflects on what God did in the Thessalonians' lives, he gives thanks constantly. They are his spiritual brothers in whom God's love abides. He is thankful specifically that God chose them from the very first to grant them salvation.

This divine choosing does not rule out human accountability. The gospel summons sinners to believe on Christ, which Paul's readers did (1 Thessalonians 1:4–6). However, the Holy Spirit fills a significant role in salvation by setting sinners apart for salvation. In response to the work of the Holy Spirit, the Thessalonians had put their trust in the truth, the message of salvation that Paul and his fellow missionaries had preached in Thessalonica. Salvation is entirely by grace, but no one is saved unless he accepts it by faith as a gift from God. Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:8–9: "for by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." And in Romans 6:23 Paul declared that eternal life is the gift of God "in Christ Jesus our Lord." ​

Clarke's Commentary
Verse 13. 14. God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation, &c.] In your calling, God has shown the purpose that he had formed from the beginning, to call the Gentiles to the same privileges with the Jews, not through circumcision, and the observance of the Mosaic law, but by faith in Christ Jesus but this simple way of salvation referred to the same end-holiness, without which no man, whether Jew or Gentile, can see the Lord.​

 

Unbiblical nonsense. Read the book of Acts.

Act 22:16
‘Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.’

Thus Paul put his faith in Jesus, calling on His name!!..And then, after his spiritual conversion, he got up and was water baptized.​

 

Did I say that being the mainstream view makes it correct? Nope - thus obfuscation
Did this poster agree the view cited is the mainstream view? Nope - as predicted.

 

I have provided more than sufficient citations to demonstrate God chooses individuals for salvation through faith in the truth.

Of the 50 plus English translations I reviewed, more than 30 had chosen for salvation, where as only 20 had chosen to be saved.

Thus the mainstream view prevails in our English translations.

And everyone who can read a Reverse Interlinear knows the Greek says for (eis) salvation (a noun) and not "to be saved" (a nonexistent verb).

 

Apparently you do not know what you said that is unblblical nonsense.

"Paul by being baptized with the Spirit of Truth went from unbelief unto belief, became of faith." ​

Paul chose to "call on the name of the Lord," not the nonsense of "being baptized with the Spirit of Truth."

 

1) Did I say I hold the majority view or the mainstream view. Can you not bring yourself to post accurately?
2) A taint so claim, devoid of merit. Only Calvinists concoct these rewrites of scripture, i.e. to be saved rather than for salvation.
3) Yes I engage in "personal research" rather than accept the absurd claims of those who rewrite scripture according to their doctrine.

 

I am not interested in obfuscation. Are the lost reproved by the spiritual things found in scripture? Just say yes or no.

And do not add, "provided they were supernaturally enabled by irresistible grace." If they needed to be enabled just say no.

 

1) Did I say I hold the majority view or the mainstream view. Can you not bring yourself to post accurately?
2) A taint so claim, devoid of merit. Only Calvinists concoct these rewrites of scripture, i.e. to be saved rather than for salvation.
3) Yes I engage in "personal research" rather than accept the absurd claims of those who rewrite scripture according to their doctrine.
4) Note the effort to offer fallacious arguments, such as personal incredulity, rather than admit 2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly states we are chosen conditionally, based on "faith in the truth."

 

Here is the Actual Doctrine as supported in scripture:
2 Thessalonians 2:13 clearly states believers are chosen. Lets stop and agree right there, God chooses believers, not those to be believers.
For what purpose does God choose individuals according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13? For salvation, thus this phrase teaches the purpose of His election.
How does God choose individuals according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13? By setting them apart in Christ, the sanctification by the Spirit.
Why does God choose individuals for salvation? "through or on the basis of" faith in the truth! Thus a conditional election. ​

 

People are not drawn by "irresibible grace" but by our appreciation of God's lovingkindness such as dying for us while still sinners.

Why? People are drawn by their appreciation of God's lovingkindness, Jeremiah 31:3
By what means? People are drawn by their appreciation of God's lovingkindness. Romans 5:8