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A universal church - the poll

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Jul 5, 2023.

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  1. 1 (unimportant - & we dont need to waste a lot of time on it)

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    16.7%
  2. 2

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. 3

    1 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. 4

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  5. 5

    2 vote(s)
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  6. 6

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  7. 7

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  8. 8

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  9. 9

    1 vote(s)
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  10. 10 - By believing in the invisible church - you might not be saved

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  1. Salty

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    How important of a doctrine is the universal vs local church only belief
    (and we don't need any comments about fake, unbiblical, theory, ect)

    In the poll
    you are not stating which side of the issue you are on - just how important of a doctrine you think it is.
    if you vote "1" that means if is virtually so unimportant that we should not waste a meaningful amount of time on it.
    IF you vote "10" you are saying that it is one of the most important doctrines - almost to the point if you believe in the universal church, you may not be saved
     
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    The poll does not make sense.
    I believe it to be nonBibical to believe there to be "multiple bodies" of "one" body of Christ being each local church.
    I do believe the one Body of Christ is to be made up of local churches.
     
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    My question would be, "How important of a doctrine
    is the universal vs local church only belief", to God?
     
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    I believe God knows there is one body of Christ but He also knows humans are easily deceived, so it’s not a salvation issue.
     
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    Imprecise terminology usage.
     
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    I just used Salty's wording and asked an honest question, without fussing.

    Would, "the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane", clear the net with you?

    Just try to not come back with something like that rain being one body of water,
    or Salty may have to give us a word to the wise. :Unsure

    He wants us to keep our banter on this off of his poll thread.
     
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    I believe this is of the utmost propriety, to God, apart from salvation in Jesus,
    but it is not any kind of a determiner of salvation, or not.

     
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    I thinking of something my pastor in Germany had to say,

    Pastor Bob Fuller (Tn Temple grad) would say something along the line of

    "Chasing rabbits"
    Take it anyway you want to!
     
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    Right.

    I see the local churches as contending for the faith once delivered to the saints territory. Don't ask me what fruit it has borne.
     
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    So far 60% have said that doctrine is not that important
     
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    10 could just as easily be if you DON’T believe in it, you may not be saved.

    Probably should be “If you don’t get it right…”

    It’s of minor importance to me, until people deny. The it’s more important, enough so that I would not attend a Landmark church, i.e., Baptist Briders.
     
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    With all do respect, you could only attend or watch via Facebook. The belief in an invisible(?) something or other would be considered a skism and preclude candidacy for membership. You are still Commanded to be baptized, however.
    So, The Lord puts it on you to take the Bible seriously, as opposed to forming doctrine from pure assumption and adding to scripture, with invisible ink.
     
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    @Salty,
    The poll seems to not allow my view.
    "1 (unimportant - & we dont need to waste a lot of time on it)
    . . .
    10 - By believing in the invisible church - you might not be saved"

    My view is to hold the Biblical view. It is important.
     
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    So - do you believe that the Bible teaches a universal, invisible (or some other term) church - in addition to the local church.
     
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    #15 37818, Jul 8, 2023
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    So is that a yes or no?
     
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    A no.
    Universal, invisible and local are not Biblical terms. In the New Testament, there is the church Jesus says He is building, there is one body of Christ and there are churches.
     
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