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Passover is always on the 15th of Nissan. Because the day of preparation is the 14th day after a new moon. Sometimes the full moon is prior to the 15th and sometimes on the 15th. But the calendar was adjusted by the new moon and the 14th is always the day of preparation.

So at some time in the first few hundred years, after the Cross, someone chose the wrong year as the actual crucifixion, thus placing the Passover on a Saturday. That you would not accept the Passover on any other day than Saturday is telling. In light of the fact that you are attempting to show a Hebrew mindset, it does not matter what day the Passover is on.

Unlike Christians who celebrate Easter on the first Sunday after a full moon, the Hebrews celebrated the Passover on the 15th day after a new moon. The same moon, is used so they are close to each other.

Easter is always on a Sunday. Passover could be any day of the week. It was also called the high Sabbath whether it happened on a Sabbath or not, because it was one of the special feast days of the year. The Passover Lamb was always prepared on the day prior to the evening of the Passover as the blood was placed on the door frame as a sign to the death angel that the firstborn in that household should not die.

Good Friday is not sound doctrine. It may be doctrine and accepted by the universal church, but so is infant baptism. No one can change the past so it is rather pointless to prove a past event.

But there are some points of this 8 day week that are rather interesting. This was the second of 3 such 8 day weeks that change the course of Hebrew history.

If you change the day of the week to Friday it sort of messes up what the midst of the week symbolizes. Friday is not the midst of the week.

Still 3.5 days can split a 7 day week, even if 8 days are involved. Certainly your analogy is looking back, but can it look forward?

The first 8 day week was marching around Jericho. The Cross was the second. The 7th Trumpet is the third week of 8 days. The 7th Trumpet starts out declaring the kingdoms of the earth all belonging to Jesus on a Sunday, just like Palm Sunday. What happens after 3.5 days is prophetic.

Here is the other implication of an 8 day week. Earth itself will consist of 8 thousand year periods with 6 days (6,000 years) of labor and Adam's punishment in between 2 Days of the Lord. Remember the Sabbath was a command. What Sabbath are we to remember? The first Lord's Day. The 6th day was the day humans were created on and the 7th day was the day of rest.

More than that the 7th Day was also the first Day of the week of current creation. A Sunday as the Lord's Day. The final Sabbath of rest is also the 8th day of the week, but the 7th after Adam's punishment. Did the Hebrews think they were in the 5000th year instead of the 4000th when Christ was born. They should if they remembered that first Lord's Day. If you go from when Adam disobeyed the half way point of 3500 years would be the Babylonian captivity. Daniel hinted there would be 3500 years left. Time being 1000 years, 2 times would be 2,000 years and 500 years as half a time. However half of 8000 is 4000 years so 500 years prior to Daniel would be the halfway point. About the time of King David and Solomon, the Golden years of Israel. The Cross did not happen in the middle even of only 7,000 years. Can the days of creation echo history? The achievements of humanity have flourished in the last 1,000 year period. Jesus will once again bring a period of rest without sin and death, before creation is handed back to God.

Not that Jesus has to die on a particular day, but certainly trying to defend Friday is certainly an interesting theory, considering why the demand for Good Friday to begin with. Going by Friday places the Passover in the year 33AD. Looking for a more suitable day, gives us a Passover on Thursday of 30AD. Nothing in Scripture contradicts Thursday being a suitable day in 30AD. And having the Cross as an event on a Wednesday is plausible. The only contradiction is a man made doctrine that has a reason obscured by history, or purposely hidden from the church body as a whole. It was never a creed.

But one source of information stated that the early church always celebrated on the eve of Easter Sunday, but since Passover sometimes fell on that Saturday it was banned by the church to not confuse it with the Passover, at a time the church persecuted the Jews. The Passover fell on the Sabbath frequently. But there is no indication the early church thought nor celebrated a yearly Friday event. Nor was it ever instituted always on a Friday by a creed. It was only changed from a Saturday observances to a Friday observance to not be on the same day as a Passover celebration. Obviously lent was added which was not part of the passion week but about the fasting of Jesus before He started His earthly ministry. Then more days were added to the passion week. In Scripture the day of the Cross itself was never a seperate celebration from the Resurrection. The church already distanced itself by celebrating the first day of the week as a resurrection, especially since the blood of animal sacrifices was done away with as Jesus was the only Lamb required by God. The church focused more on new life and the 2nd birth over a certain day each year when the Cross was remembered. That and the Lord's supper prior to the Cross was communion every time they met, normally on a Sunday. Not just a yearly commemoration. The supper became so commonplace, Paul wrote that it had become abusive instead of a remembrance.

It was pointed out that perhaps is was not well defined, so as not to be a certain day to take away from gospel itself?

 

The interesting point is that 33AD is a Friday for the 14th of Nisan.

In 30AD Wednesday was the 14th of Nisan.

Besides Wednesday and Friday the 14th can fall on a Saturday or Monday.

That places the Passover on either a Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday, or Thursday.

There are several years that could be used as both Friday and Wednesday. No one can pinpoint the year Jesus was born either. 33AD would lead to a birth around year 1, but the interesting point is that the usage of AD and BC was developed in 525 and never even used until the 8th or 9th centuries.

Good Friday was already a point of controversy during the Nicene Creed era around 325 nearly 200 years earlier.

No one seems to have a decent reason why they think Jesus would have had a Passover seder 2 days before Passover, nor why it had to be on a Thursday for a good Friday crucifixion. Nor even a good reason why the Cross had to happen on a Friday.

Other than the fact we have the means to go to a computer today, and see every day of a Gregorian calendar superimposed over the Jewish lunar calendar, who would even question the point? Of course no one will declare those days were the actual days of celebration. But do we see the actual days or just a virtual reality that is not real?

It has been pointed out that Easter can actually be celebrated a month after Passover. The gap has literally widened over the past 1993 years. Even with the adjustments of all calendars to keep them accurate. The only reason for the personal interest is the fact we have to be running out of time. To keep putting off a Second Coming indefinitely does not make sense.

The interesting thing about time is that Adam was given 130 years as the point Seth was born. We are not told any ages when Cain or Able were born. Comparing the fact we can divide 130 into two separate numbers of 30 and 100 with other Scripture, we see that Jesus was about 30 when He was obedient in Baptism. Was Adam 30 years in the Garden, 100 years prior to Seth being born, when he disobeyed God? The 65th chapter of Isaiah states an interesting age of 100. Were Adam and Eve on probation for a hundred years until God blessed them with the birth of Seth?

Now 30AD leaves us with 7 years left until we hit 2,000 years post the Cross. 3 more years is not that big of a deal. But we already had an interesting global phenomenon happen over 3 years ago. A phenomenon that really brought reality to a standstill. Most probably don't even remember as life has swung back to normal. If the math is worked out, did Adam disobey exactly 4,000 years to the second that Jesus started his earthly ministry. Or was it 4,000 years between Adam's disobedience and the Cross. There seems to be a margin of error of 3 to 4 years. Certainly no one was to know the day or the hour of the Second Coming.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does that extend to the year? How precise are those choosing Good Friday compared to those choosing Wednesday? Seems the latter will be the one's proven wrong first. But in today's technology can we be too precise? It may not even be 30AD or 33AD. While computers can compute precisely, are the exact dates literally hidden by God, and cannot be known? Seems like a return on the day of Resurrection or even the exact hour of the resurrection would mean that is a wrong thought process, but certainly figuring out the year, and the fact that time is constant as well as the motion of the sun and moon for the most part, we have computers that will do the necessary computation and people smart enough to figure out God's creation, well for the most part. Is looking at a past date and how it lines up with Scripture wrong, or do we blindly follow human theology?

 

Luke 23:50-56
50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:
51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

According to the 4th commandment.


Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The creation was completed in 6 days and God rested on day 7. He rested the last day of the week. When Jesus Christ finished his work of redemption on day 6 he rested on day 7 after the established pattern. He did not rest for three whole days. God has established his number 7 in scripture to typify complete things and the number 8 to stand as new beginnings. Jesus said on the cross that his work was finished very late in the day and his body was put in the tomb on Friday, day 6, which is day 1 of his entombment. He was in the tomb for the full 24 hours of the sabbath, thus fulfilling the type, He was raised from the dead after that on the first day of the week but Mary and the women did not come until very early in the morning before the rising of the sun to anoint the body of Jesus. (They had no faith that he would be raised from the dead).

There is such a thing in scripture as prophesy in type and can only be seen after the fulfillment but is the confirmation of God of his truths.

Mark 16:2
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Since the sun is a type of our Lord Jesus Christ I suppose this is when he arose from the dead.

It is significant that as the actual sabbath day was drawing to a close, so was the sabbath law. All things are new at the resurrection and now the day is registered as the morning and the evening.

There is much more involved than just winning an argument.

Matthew 28:1
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

I go with A.D. 31

| Philadelphia Church of God.

"Since Passover is on the 14th of Abib/Nisan the day of the week changes from year to year. That means the preparation day changes from year to year and is not necessarily on Friday as is the weekly preparation day. In fact, Nisan 14 was a Wednesday in a.d. 31."

Jesus Christ kept the Passover with His disciples the night before He was killed (Mark 14:12-17; Luke 22:8). The day after Passover is a high day. The first day of Unleavened Bread begins the festival season. The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states: “And though ‘the Days of Unleavened Bread’ properly began with the 15th, the preparations for the festival being made on the 14th ….” This correctly refers to the day before the high day as a preparation day."

More points on A.D. 31, from the decree of census of Joseph and Mary.

"Mr. Armstrong, in The Crucifixion Was Not on Friday, comments on this: “Using the October-to-October calendar Malalas used, that dates the 39th year as October 6 b.c. to October 5 b.c., and the issuance of the decree for the census to July 5 b.c.” Mr. Armstrong went on to refer the reader to the word chronology in Unger’s Bible Dictionary.

"Unger’s states: “The latest word touching these enrollments is that given by the eminent Augustus W. Zumpt, the classical scholar and archaeologist of Berlin, whose recent researches have secured us ‘full historical probability, and whose conclusions of the date of the birth of Christ at the time of the census taken 4 b.c. by Cyrenius is endorsed by the scholarly Mommsen, and accords with the view of Ideler, Bergmann, Browne, Ussher, and Sanclemente’ (Schaff).”

Luke 2:1-6 states, “And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.”

"It is clear from these verses that Christ was born when Mary and Joseph were in Bethlehem for purposes of the taxing, which is to say the time of the census—4 b.c. It follows that Christ was born in 4 b.c. Even without the other evidence this establishes the year of Christ’s death as a.d. 31.

"So we see again that Jesus Christ was born in 4 b.c., began His ministry in the fall of a.d. 27 and died in the spring of a.d. 31 on Wednesday, the day after the Passover service*. Then—count for yourself—He was raised from the dead at the end of Saturday, God’s Sabbath, three days and three nights after He died!"

*Wednesday Nison 14 was the day Christ died, on Wednesday morning.

They are saying is "the day after the Passover service", which is right, but it was still their Wednesday after 6 pm Tuesday, the evening/night before He died; the Passover service when Jesus ate with the disciples, was our Tuesday evening/night.

It should say "Jesus ate the Passover service on our Tuesday evening/night and Jesus was crucified the following morning" (sort of "the day after Passover service", but not by Jewish time.)

 

Not as long as you keep ignoring the Bible, see down below, in red.

Because the Passover mentioned in Mark 14:12, was for an annual Sabbath.

Meaning:
12 And the first day of unleavened bread,
Wednesday, Nison 14, after our Tuesday at 6 pm,

when they killed the passover,
Wednesday, Nison 14, after our Tuesday at 6 pm

his disciples said unto him,
Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Wednesday, Nison 14, after our Tuesday at 6 pm


Passover dates 31 A.D.

The following astronomical data in the first three columns below was obtained from the U.S. Naval Observatory Astronomical Applications Department. The pertinent file may be accessed on the Internet at http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/SpringPhenom.html .

Note. The times of day given in the second and third columns have been adjusted +2 hours from U.S. Naval Observatory figures to account for the difference between Jerusalem Israel and Greenwich England (universal) time.

It should also be noted that the first evening of a visible crescent moon (column 4.) always occurs only minutes after sundown, which is at the very beginning of a new day on the Hebrew calendar. This Hebrew day correlates to the following day on the Julian calendar as noted in the chart below (column 5.). Column 6.) is Passover dates for the given years.


1.) Year 31 A.D.

2.) Vernal Equinox Fri. Mar. 23, 5 a.m.

3.) Astronomical New Moon Conjunction Tues. Apr. 10, 2 p.m.

4.) First evening of visible crescent Wed. Apr. 11

5.) Date of the first of Nisan Thurs. Apr.12

6. 14th day of Nisan (Passover) Wed. Apr. 25

Note

A Passover on Wednesday is the only day of the week that works with all Biblical accounts of the crucifixion.

Yahshua was in the grave "three days and three nights" Matthew 12:40.

From Wednesday just before sunset [even] to Saturday just before sunset [even] is three days and three nights.

The fact that the day following Yahshua's crucifixion was a Sabbath (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52-54, & John 19:31) does not prove He was crucified on a Friday.

According to the Law of Moses, the day following Passover (which is also the first day of the feast of unleavened bread) is also, always a Sabbath day of rest to be observed like the 7th day weekly Sabbath no matter what day of the week it falls on. (See Leviticus 23:4-8, Numbers 28:16-18, and take special notice of John 19:31 again.

The Sabbath immediately following Yahshua's crucifixion
was no ordinary Sabbath.)

Understanding that it was a Wednesday Passover and crucifixion also solves apparent conflicts in the Gospel records.

In Luke 23:55,56 it says that the women (Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James) went and prepared anointing spices and oils BEFORE the Sabbath.

In Mark 16:1 it says that they bought them AFTER the Sabbath!

The answer lies is in the fact that there are two different Sabbaths being referred to here.

The women both bought and prepared the spices on the same day.

The day of the week was Friday.

When Mark says they bought the spices AFTER the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to was the special Thursday Sabbath ...the first day of unleavened bread that followed the day of Passover.

When Luke says they prepared the spices and then rested the Sabbath, the Sabbath he is referring to is Saturday ...the weekly Sabbath.

There is also proof found in Matthew 28:1 that there were two Sabbaths.

Most Bible translations render this word "Sabbath" in the singular because translators, believing the traditional Friday crucifixion scenario, couldn't make any sense of the fact that the Greek manuscripts all render this word in the plural.

This fact can be verified by anyone with a Greek interlinear translation or Greek lexicon.

Matthew 28:1 therefore should read, "Now after the SABBATHS as the first day of the week began to dawn...".

Therefore, for all the records to add up it must be concluded that Yahshua was crucified on a Wednesday.

 

John 19:31; "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away

 

The scriptures are inspired? The calendars? Not so much.

Here is undeniable scriptural proof and you guys will likely not even read it.

now we are told exactly when the countdown to Passover begins.


John 12:1
Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

THIS LEAVES 6 DAYS TO PASSOVER!

All 4 gospel writers tells of the next thing, the triumphal entry into Jerusalem, but John only tells us when it happened. Here:

John 12:12-15
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

ON THE NEXT DAY WHICH WOULD BE 5 DAYS BEFORE PASSOVER- THEN HE RETURNED TO Bethany

Mark 11:11
And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

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Mark 11:12-15
12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

purges the temple
15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple,

THIS WOULD BE ON THE FOURTH DAY BEFORE PASSOVER AND IN THE NEXT VERSE I WILL SHOW THE END OF THE DAY AND BACK TO BETHANY.


Mark 11:19
And when even was come, he went out of the city.

The next verse gives us the beginning of the third day before Passover:


Mark 11:20
And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.


Mark 11:27
And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,

He leaves the temple and returns to the mount of Olives.


Mark 13:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

THIS IS THE END OF THE THIRD DAY BEFORE PASSOVER AND WE HAVE THESE WORDS FROM MARK.

Mark 14:1-2
1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
2 But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people.

THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE TWO DAYS IS THE PASSOVER ANFD JOHN WAS RIGHT ABOUT WHEN THE PASSOVER WAS OBSERVED. It was 6 days after coming to Bethany.

What day was the Passover on according to the inspired scriptures?

Mark 14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

WHAT DAY WAS THIS?


Mark 15:42
And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

IT WAS THE DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH

MARK GIVES US TWO MORE DAYS, the Sabbath day and the first day of the week.

Why won’t this info settle the matter?

 

It depends on how accurate you want to be, I suppose. Transposing our cultural norms onto the scriptures will not allow for understanding the typical teaching of the scriptures, which is very important and understanding them is dependent on numbers, times, words, etc. For instance, one would not expect Jesus to be raised from the dead at night because he says he is the Light of the world, and as long as he is in the world he is the light of the world. That probably does not have any relevance to you but I think it does to God and is probably why he puts the following information in the text of scripture. I think everything God records in scripture is important;

Mark 16:2
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

God is a Spirit and his words are spirit and truth.



But yes, you are allowed to do as you please, I think. Who can stop you?

 

Correct. It is important that the resurrection be on the first day of a new week, under a new covenant, where it is possible for a new birth when a sinner becomes a new creature in Christ and awaiting a promised new body wherein they can dwell in the New Jerusalem in a new heaven and a new earth finally.

There can be no doubt that Jesus Christ was dead at 3 o’clock on day 6 and was bodily in the tomb on that day. The Sabbath was day 7 and the day of rest. He was in the tomb the whole day and rose from the dead on Day 8.




John 5:17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.


John 5:17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

The creation is designed by God to preach the gospel. Spiritual men can make the connection.


Psalms 19:1-6
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.