Featured It was not a Sabbath day

Well, when was the Sabbath?The day before Jesus came to Bethany from a place that was near Jerusalem he had traveled nearly 12 miles from Jericho. It surely wasn’t a sabbath day because that would have been more than a sabbath days journey which was permitted by the law of Moses. The second day mentioned by John is John 1212 could not have been a seven day because of the following texts.

Numbers 15:32-36
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

this is what happened on that day.


John 12:12-13
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Had they gathered sticks on that day and it had been a sabbath day, they would have violated the Sabbath law.

The scriptural evidence points to the entrance in Bethany in Jn 12:1 being a sabbath day.
Meanwhile, do you agree that the two disciples on the Emmaus Road settled the matter that our Lotd was crucified on Grifay?

 

Evidence please.

 

I noticed my last post of a few days ago is not here, so I will post it again. It is information from Luke 24 that leaves no doubt that Jesus was crucified at 9 AM to 3 PM on Friday, the day before the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week. The crucifixion was 6 days after Jesus entered Bethany and it was one day before the Sabbath.

Here are the days mentioned in Luke 24.

Lu 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning (there are 12 hours in the day, Jesus said), they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.

The same first day of the week, resurrection day.

It was late in the day of the same day.

29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

This proves the resurrection took place on the third day, which was also the 1st day of the week following.

In Matthew we find it is also the 8th day, or the day after the Sabbath. There is no excuse for getting this wrong.

 

You will not be convinced from the scriptures so I will not be able to convince you for sure. That has been proven.

15 No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16 I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast)

Lu 23:26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

Lu 23:32 And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.
33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

Lu 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.
50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:
51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Lu 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mr 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Joh 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

I doubt you will even read this irrefutable scriptural evidence that Jesus was surely crucified on day 6 of the week during daylight hours between 9 AM and 3 PM and was laid in the tomb before 6 PM, the beginning of the Sabbath.

Your calendar is not inspired and you are losing credibility by holding to it and denying plain scripture.

 

I do not read your posts most times because of your silly Baptist Bride position. And besides, making statements and posting scripture references after them without quoting them is a sure sign of a man who has false doctrine.

The God ordained theology of scripture is designed for babes, and elite scholars almost always struggles with the simplicity that is built in to them, resulting in trying to make them more complicated..

 

Your math abilities are at least as good as mine. If he died at 3 pm then there were 3 hours to the sabbath day during which he had to be to taken gently down from the cross and the body somewhat prepared. There was at least a napkin around his head. Some clothes or covering had been put on him. This takes time and the ladies followed him to the tomb but did not have enough time to anoint the body and they could not do it the next day because we are informed that was the Sabbath day. I would guess God the Father had all this planned down to the second because Jesus must be in the tomb the entire sabbath. The three annual feasts of Isarel were the Passover, unleavened bread, and the firstfuits.

The Passover was when the Lord was sacrificed. The unleavened bread began at 6:00 clock, which was the following day and the purpose was to teach there was no sin in him and the theme of the apostolic preaching to the Jews in the Acts was that his body did not suffer decay while he was in the tomb, and the firstfruits the next day. These feasts were typical and God designed them to teach NT truths. There is no excuse to get it wrong. God testified once a year of the truth I am telling you.

 

Thursday - 8th 6 days before the Passover(14th)

Friday - 9th

Saturday - 10th - Weekly Sabbath

Sunday - 11th

Monday - 12th

Tuesday - 13th

Wednesday - 14th Crucifixion

Thursday - 15th

Friday - 16th

Saturday -17th Resurrection

The one day Salty has to admonish us not to call people stupid!!!

Way to go, Salty!

What is a poster to do.

That's the very day I took someone off 'ignore' temporarily enough to see what 37818 was having to deal with.

Better him than me.

To 'ignore' someone, click on my I.D. and you'll see , 'ignore' in blue.

Click it, babe, as you called yourself.

 

To cut to the chase, this article describes how the count of days is from "since these things happened", and not how many days since the crucifixion, even thou the crucifixion is mentioned in the verse.

What are we to believe, "these things" are that happened.

We can't guess without thinking that the three days are to be counted from the crucifixion itself, because the Bible does have a different teaching, in context.

Each of the elements of the crucifixion, I believe and they say, not just the crucifixion itself, are what is meant by "these things" that "happened".

-"19 Jesus asked him a question, "What things?"

Well this is what we need to know, so look at his reply; "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet powerful in deed and word before God and all the people."

So the things that "these things" referred to in verse 21 are the things concerning Jesus of Nazareth.

"This would include his arrest, trial, crucifixion, death, the piercing of his side, his removal from the cross, the anointing of his body, his burial, and the sealing of the tomb on the following day."

The content of this article assumes a Wednesday crucifixion, as do many other highly detailed and comprehensive sites (that can include each and every relative scripture and make them fit like a hand in a glove).

EMMAUS ROAD,
"TODAY is THE THIRD DAY SINCE THESE THINGS HAPPENED"
Luke 24:21

This bible study explains the meaning of the statement,
"Today is the third day since these things happened".

LUKE 24:13-21
13 And, behold, two of them were going that same day to a village called Emmaus, being a distance sixty furlongs from Jerusalem.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, while they were communing together and reasoning, Jesus himself had drawn near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were held so as not to know him.
17 And he said to them, What words are these which you exchange with one another, as you walk, and are sad?
18 And the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to him, Are you the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have you not known the things which happened in it in these days?
19 And he said to them, What things? And they said to him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet powerful in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to condemnation of death, and crucified him.
21 But we were hoping that it was he who was about to redeem Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things happened.

Note: What is the problem with this scripture?

Simply it is the phrase "today is the third day" (Luke 24:21), and the fact that we have taught that Jesus died and was buried on a 14th Nisan, a Wednesday afternoon.

Now if we count the days from then, Thursday would be the first day, Friday would be the second day, and Saturday would be the third day, but this conversation on the Emmaus road is Sunday afternoon.

This we know because it is said to be "on the same day" (Luke 24:13), which refers back to "on the first day of the week" (Luke 24:1 KJV) or "on one day from the Sabbath" (Luke 24:1 RPT).

So there is an apparent disagreement which needs to be explained.

The question to ask is, "What are THESE THINGS that these men referred to?" - from where this three day period started.

To know the answer we must look back at the previous verses to see what they were referring to.

In verse 18 Cleopas said to Jesus, "Are you only sojourning in Jerusalem, and have not known the things which came to pass there in these days?"

Then in verse 19 Jesus asked him a question, "What things?"

Well this is what we need to know, so look at his reply; "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet powerful in deed and word before God and all the people."

So the things that "these things" referred to in verse 21 are the things concerning Jesus of Nazareth.

This would include his arrest, trial, crucifixion, death, the piercing of his side, his removal from the cross, the anointing of his body, his burial, and the sealing of the tomb on the following day.

(Matthew 27:62) And on the next day, which is after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees had gathered together to Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remembered that that deceiver said, while he was living, After three days I will arise.
64 Command therefore that the tomb be secured until the third day, lest his disciples coming by night, steal him away, and say to the people, He was raised from the dead: and the last deception shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said to them, You have a guard: go your way, make it as sure as you know how.
66 So when they had gone, they made the tomb secure, sealing the stone, with a guard.

How can we know that this sealing of the tomb was one of the events included in "these things" (Luke 24:21)? Here are some reasons:

(1) The meeting of the scribes and Pharisees with Pontius Pilate was "about", "concerning", or "to do with" Jesus.

The sealing of the tomb was "about", "concerning", or "to do with" Jesus, which is what the Greek word περὶ (Gtr. peri) translated "concerning" means.

So the things that the disciples were talking about, "Concerning Jesus of Nazareth" (Luke 24:19), would have included the sealing of the tomb.

It cannot be said that this only refers to events that happened while Jesus was alive, because 'peri' is often used in other places concerning dead people, and Jesus after he died (Matthew 17:13, Acts 1:16, 25:9, 28:23, 28:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:13, 1 John 5:9, 5:10, Jude 1:9).

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(2) If the events referred to were only his arrest, trial, crucifixion, and death, and nothing after, then the disciples would have been referring to events that happened "on that day" - the Passover.

But they referred to, "the things which came to pass there in these days" (Luke 24:18).

Note the plural "days", and note also that the word "there" refers to "in Jerusalem" (Luke 24:18).

So they must have referred to events on more than one day, namely 14th and 15th Nisan, the Passover and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

They were not referring to events that happened before this because Jesus did not enter into Jerusalem until the day of the Passover (Matthew 26:17-18, Mark 14:12-13).

(3) After the sealing of the tomb, little is recorded in scripture of anything that happened until the women came to the tomb on Sunday morning.

There are therefore two complete days, the 16th and 17th of Nisan, where nothing is recorded about what the Romans or the Jews did concerning Jesus.

Sunday was therefore the third day after the sealing of the tomb.

This is the same third day that the chief priests and the Pharisees mentioned when they said, "Command therefore that the tomb be secured until the third day" (Matthew 27:64).

This referred to the day after the Sabbath as the guards were still there that morning (Matthew 28:4); the same day that the disciples were on the Emmaus road. This is what "this is the third day" (Luke 24:21) refers to.

Some have said that the disciples may not have known about the sealing of the tomb, but that is nothing more than a speculative comment.

According to Luke they were talking about "all these things which had happened." (Luke 24:14).

This is the inspired writer of scripture who wrote this, not some statement by someone who could have been mistaken, and "all these things which had happened" would certainly have included the sealing of the tomb.

In conclusion, the statement of Jesus' disciples on the Emmaus road, "today is the third day since these things happened" (Luke 24:21) is explained as being the time from the last recorded scriptural event concerning Jesus, the sealing of the tomb, until the day the disciples met Jesus on the Emmaus road.

When Jesus referred to his resurrection "on the third day", he was using the day of his death as the starting point, but a different starting point (one day later) is used here by Cleopas.

Therefore, while Jesus' "third day" was the Sabbath, Cleopas' "third day" was on Sunday.

Therefore, the Emmaus road encounter is not proof that Jesus did not die on a Wednesday, nor proof that he rose on Sunday morning.

 

@37818


John 19:14
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

The sixth hour. Midnight on day 6. The preparation.


John 19:16-18
16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.


Mark 15:24-25
24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

THE THIRD HOUR = 9 AM

John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

THE SIXTH HOURD = 12 NOON
Mark 15:33-34
33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

THE NINTH HOUR = 3 PM

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

THE 12TH HOUR = THE END OF DAY SIX AS IT DAWNED TOWARD THE SABBATH.



Actually 37818, is there anything in scriptures that is more provable than that Jesus was crucified on the sixth day, the day before the Sabbath?


Mark 15:42
And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

 

I agree with your calendar.

 

The high Sabbath on Thursday the Day of the Passover in 30AD.

In 33AD the Passover and the Sabbath was on the same day.

Mark 16:3

"And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?"

How did they know there was a stone there, and when was it put there? The stone was placed that evening of the Passover.

"Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can. So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch."

So we see that not only did Joseph place a stone there, but a day later, after a Thursday Passover, 6pm in the evening when they could again aproach Pilate, they asked for a Roman guard to be placed for 3 days. Not 24 hours, but 3 days. There were soldiers there all day Friday, and all day Saturday. The Jews did not go to Pilate 12 hours before the Resurrection, just after 6pm when the Sabbath was over. In 33AD, the soldiers would have only been there less than 12 hours, after sunset to sunrise.

Your issue is that the women did not wait 3 days, nor that they even knew soldiers guarded the tomb. They would not have been even able to finish the process of burial, until the soldiers allowed them access. They could have tried to come on Friday, but were told to wait until the third day. Why would that detail need to be put in Scripture? Do you choose 33AD because the Passover was on the 6th day of the week? Or does the year not matter to you? What about 26AD when the Passover was on a Saturday as well? Jesus would have been around 30 years old. Your 33AD date puts Jesus at 36 years old. 26AD and 33AD were the only years the Passover and Sabbath were the same day. Perhaps the year does not matter to you at all. Pretty sure that is why the Catholic church declared it happened on a Friday. Good Friday is one of the oldest Christian holidays, with some sources saying that it has been observed since 100AD. It was associated with the crucifixion around the fourth century. Friday was not always associated with the crucifixion. Here is why it does not have to be a Friday. John 19:31

"The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

The Passover being a high Sabbath does not mean it was the same day, but there could have been 2 Sabbath days that week. This verse declares it was not just Saturday, but a Passover Sabbath they were preparing for. That means it could have happened on another day of the week, and not even Thursday. Thursday is a plausible day, and allows for 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus declared. Good Friday cannot allow for 2 nights and a day, because Jesus could have arose at 6pm on Saturday. We are not told when Jesus in an alive body left the tomb. You actually only have 1 night and 1 day of being assured Jesus was dead, a little over 24 hours. All you did is count 3 hours on one day, and 24 hours of the next day. You cannot count Sunday. You literally have no proof a body was in the tomb past 6pm Sabbath sunset. That is a presupposition.

A Pasover on Thursday allows for all of Thursday, all of Friday, and all of Saturday. 3 days and 3 nights just as Jesus declared. Matthew 12:40

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Of course the correct Hebrew syntax would be 3 nights and 3 days. 6pm to 6pm. Evening and morning the first day, etc. Of course it is an assumption to think the women came on Friday, and were turned away. But it is not forcing a thought contrary to any Scripture. You don't rely on historical proof, but yet that is all a good Friday position can do. It is the traditional acceptance throughout a chunk of history. Yet not even a historical record can be found stating the crucifixion happened on a Friday. When certainly a Thursday historical record could have been destroyed just as easily as a Friday crucifixion. Jesus being 36 years old means that Jesus' ministry lasted 6 years. The point of 0 AD being the birth of Jesus and 33AD being the crucifixion seems like a contrived position.

An interesting side note. The Julian calendar started in 46BC. About 40 years before Jesus was born. Julius Ceasar was the man who changed up time and declared a new way to keep time. That was the true point 0 year. That people can point out that Jesus could not have been born at point 0 seems to indicate that the person who introduced the year of our Lord concept, was not basing his calculations on Scripture nor history. A 30AD crucifixion still allows Jesus to have a ministry between the ages of 30 and 33. That seems to be the assumption behind 0 and 33AD. There is also an argument out there that Jesus had to start His earthly ministry on a certain date as well.