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Bible Proof that MY SIN was Placed on Jesus by Penal Substitutionary Atonement.

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  1. Alan Gross

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    Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

    Jesus was "smitten of God";

    Isaiah 53:4;
    "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:
    yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."


    Mark 15:34; "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
    saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?
    which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


    this was prophecied in;

    Psalm 22:1 "To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.
    My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"


    And there in Psalm 22:3, we are given the answer, in the Word of God,
    to Jesus' question to God the Father,

    "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

    The answer that is given is, "But thou art holy".

    God the Father is Holy and can not look upon sin.

    We learn that from Habakkuk 1:13;
    "
    Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil,
    and canst not look on iniquity:"

    When Jesus hangs on the cross, despised, suffering, "smitten of God" and dying,
    we know Jesus had upon Himself the Entirety of all MY SIN and the sins of His people.

    Matthew 1:21;
    "And she shall bring forth a son,
    and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
    for he shall save his people from their sins".

    Jesus was made sin for His people
    and Holy God can not look upon sin.

    God forsook Jesus.

    II Corinthians 5:21a;
    "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin;"

    God cannot look upon sin, so he turns his back and withdraws his favor.

    God forsook Jesus because MY SINS
    and the sins of His people
    were on Jesus and God is Holy
    and could not look of the sin that was on Jesus.


    The burden of MY SINS and the sins of His people were now fully upon His Son
    and the Spiritual Reality of God’s Wrath for sin revealed itself in full upon Jesus.


    The Wrath of God

    There is no greater instance of The Wrath of God,
    "or what more fully demonstrates it, than what our Lord Jesus Christ suffered
    and endured as the Surety of his people, in their room and stead;

    "when their sins being imputed to him, were found on him,
    and he was stricken for them;

    "the sword of justice was sheathed in him;

    "the vindictive wrath of God was poured forth upon him,
    to the uttermost of the demerit of sin;

    "God spared him not: how inconceivably great must his wrath be against sin,
    when God spared not in the least his own dearly beloved Son,
    but suffered him to be put to the most exquisite pain,
    both in body and soul, for the sins of his people!"


    Suretyship of Jesus and Onesimus.

    "As their Surety, 1b1. Jesus "is not a mere accessory
    to the obligation of his people for payment of their debts;

    "he and they are not engaged in one joint bond for payment;
    he has taken their whole debt upon himself,

    as the apostle Paul did in the case of Onesimus;

    "and he has paid it off, and entirely discharged it alone."


    Jesus an expromissor and "novation".

    1c. "Thirdly, Christ is in such a sense a Surety, as civilians call an expromissor, one that promises out and out, absolutely engages to pay another's debt;

    "takes another's obligation, and transfers it to himself, and by this act dissolves the former obligation, and enters into a new one, which civilians call "novation";

    "so that the obligation no longer lies on the principal debtor, but he is set free, and
    the Surety is under the obligation, as if he was the principal debtor, or the guilty person. Now this sort of suretyship being most similar, and coming nearest to Christ's suretyship, is made use of to express and explain it;

    "though they do not in everything tally; for the civil law neither describes nor admits such a Surety among men as Christ is; who so substituted himself in the room and stead of sinners, as to suffer punishment in soul and body for them; but in some things there is an agreement.

    1c1. "Christ, by his suretyship, has took the whole debt of his people upon himself, and made himself solely responsible for it; he has dissolved thereby their obligation to payment or punishment, having taken it on himself; so that they were by it entirely set free from the very instant he became their Surety;...

    1c2. "
    When Christ became a Surety for his people, their sins were no longer imputed to them, but were imputed to Christ, were placed to his account, and he became responsible for them; ... And now, from this suretyship of Christ arise both the imputation of sin to Christ, and the imputation of his righteousness to his people; this is the ground and foundation of both, and on which the priestly office of Christ stands, and in virtue of which it is exercised (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 7:20-22;

    "And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

    21 "(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec.

    22 "By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament."
     
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    Most people in evangelical and Baptist churches believe that this is true. There was a different belief that was incorrect that was believed by some early Christians, and there are some who propose to run back to those incorrect ways of seeing the death of Christ. Alan, you're view is the right one.
     
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    PSA is a Trojan horse for Limited Atonement. The actual biblical doctrine is that Jesus' death provided the sacrificial sacrifice needed as the means of reconciliation of sinners.

    Jesus was put to death according to God's predetermined plan.
    Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Psalm 22:3
    Sin is unholy, and unholiness causes separation from our Holy God.

    Hab 1:13 NET
    You are too just to tolerate evil; you are unable to condone wrongdoing. So why do you put up with such treacherous people? Why do you say nothing when the wicked devour those more righteous than they are?​

    Jesus death provided the means to save "His people" (those transferred into His spiritual body).
    Jesus was treated as sin, He was not sin.
    The burden or consequence of the sin of all those saved, has been taken away by the washing of regeneration.
     
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    Except those verses do not prove that your sins were placed on Jesus by penal substitution.

    In fact, you have altered at least one verse (the Bible does not say Jesus was "smitten of God" but that those for whom He died thought He was....there is a "yet" or "but" following that statement).

    This is one problem with discussing the topic.

    Penal Substitution theorists offer as proof passages that do not prove what they are saying

    A more correct statement would be that you think what those verses teach is proof.

    But you are testing what you think is taught by the Bible against what you think the Bible teaches.

    That is a failed approach. We have to test doctrine against Scripture - against what is written in God's Word rather than against what people think is taught by the Bible.
     
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    People try to take the 'sin' of men and Jesus dying as a substitute for the guilt of the sin of God's Chosen people out of the Gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, to skip to the resurrection as their 'message', so they may attempt to appeal to the emotions of sinners to 'make a decision' that is superficial and mental, only, without the Regeneration of The New Birth.

    Unless God overrides that message with the Gospel of Christ, to save their sin-cursed soul from their sin, by a sin-bearer Who bore their curse, that decision will be a false profession, without the Regeneration of The New Birth.

    Jesus is my Savior because He died for my sins that were placed upon Him and by His Grace He Granted me repentance, in the Regeneration of The New Birth, from my sin that caused Jesus to be nailed to the cross and die and Faith, in the Regeneration of The New Birth, to believe God buried my sins away in Forgiveness and Accepted Jesus punishment and payment for my sins, by raising Him from the dead.

    Answering 4 Common Objections to Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    "God cannot simply forgive because of who he is as the moral standard of the universe. All of God’s attributes are essential to him, including his holiness, righteousness, and justice. In regard to his justice, God is not like a human judge, who adjudicates a law external to him; instead, God is the law. Our sin is not against an abstract principle or impersonal law, but it’s always against God who is holy and just (Ps. 51:4).

    "So for God to forgive us, he must do so by remaining true to himself. That is why our forgiveness is only possible if the full satisfaction of his moral demand is met. For God to declare sinners justified before him, our Lord Jesus must perfectly obey all of God’s moral demands for us and fully pay for our sin in his substitutionary death (Rom. 3:21–26; 2 Cor. 5:21).

    "For those who stumble over this explanation, think of the alternative. Ultimately, everyone who denies PSA thinks that God can forgive our sins without the full satisfaction of his justice. But to make sense of this, one must deny that God’s holiness and justice are essential to him. However, if this is so, then how is God the moral standard of the universe?

    "Or, the appeal is often made to God’s love being greater than his other perfections such as his justice, as if God can forgive us without the full satisfaction of his justice. But this will not do either. God has all of his attributes essentially and inseparably. In forgiving us of our sins, God’s love is not opposed to his justice; instead, the very demonstration of God’s love is that in Christ and his cross, God’s own righteous demand is met (1 John 2:2; 4:8–10).

    "These other views pull apart in God what cannot be pulled apart, effectively making his love unjust and his justice unloving.

    "They thereby change God’s very nature.

    "Our triune God is a God of grace and justice, and in our justification, he remains true to himself. God remains the loving, just, and holy one; no sin is overlooked or condoned. Instead, our sin is paid for in full either in Christ or in final judgment when all sin, evil, and death will be destroyed. It is only PSA that allows us to affirm these biblical truths in all their beauty and glory."



    "Jesus absorbed God’s wrath for us.

    "Among the many other happenings during the most important hours in the history of the world — as the Son of God was crucified outside Jerusalem at a place called Golgotha (Mark 15:22) — this accomplishment is the center and foundation and heart.

    "Jesus had no sin of his own. It was not his own penalty that he bore, but he was a substitute for others, for those who would be joined to him by faith. This we call penal substitutionary atonement — Jesus reconciled sinners to God by being their substitute punishment. He absorbed in his person God’s righteous wrath against us, because of our sin, that we might be free from sin and its penalty and liberated to enjoy such a person forever.

    "Sadly, but not surprisingly, this most precious of Christian doctrines is under great assault in many quarters. It’s no new assault, and it doesn’t appear to be going away anytime soon. The wrath of God, and its manifestations in hell and penal substitution, are the revealed truths the natural man seems to find most repulsive (for good reason)."

    MACARTHUR: "If you don’t understand the doctrine of penal substitution, you don’t know why Christ died. You would assume that if you’re a Christian, you would want to know why Christ died.

    "In 2 Corinthians 5:18–21, Paul says that we are ambassadors. We go into the world and beg people to be reconciled to God. He’s given us the Word of reconciliation. That’s the message we preach: “You can be reconciled to God.” We have the ministry of reconciliation and the message of reconciliation.

    "But how is it possible for a sinner to be reconciled to a holy God? That is the most legitimate question a sinner could ever ask:

    “If God is holy, righteous, and perfect, how is it possible for me to be reconciled to a holy God without Him tarnishing His holiness?”


    To put it in the language of Paul, How can God be “just and the justifier” of sinners? (Rom. 3:26).

    That is the absolute apex question of all religions.

    "The primary question that religion attempts to answer, whatever god a religion espouses, is:

    “How can I go from being God’s enemy to being His friend?

    How can I make peace with God?”


    All religion is designed to somehow come to terms with the deity. In Christianity, the question is built around holiness, justice, and righteousness:

    “How can God forgive me and still be holy?”
    The only thing that answers that question is penal substitution.

    "Penal substitution says God is so holy that every sin will be punished. Every single sin in the life of every Christian believer through all of human history was punished. All sin must be punished.

    Either the sinner will bear that punishment eternally, or Christ took that punishment on the cross. The only thing that protects the pure, righteous holiness of God is that sin is punished. That’s penal substitution.

    "If you remove that part of the cross, then how does God reconcile His holiness with wishing sin away without a punishment? There has to be a punishment for God to maintain His justice. That punishment falls on His Son.

    "BINGHAM: I can remember before I became a Christian, but at a time when I had heard the gospel a number of times, sitting down with the woman who is now my wife and asking her: “Explain to me John 3:16. Why did God have to send His Son? Why did Jesus have to die? Why didn’t God bake brownies to save the world? What’s this whole dying on the cross thing?” At the time, she couldn’t answer the question. We had to go into church and try to get information about penal substitution because all the gospel presentations I’d heard were missing that phrase.

    "MACARTHUR: You see, that is the question. Penal substitution is not some kind of optional issue. You’ve got a massive problem if God just says, “Hey, you’re forgiven.” The character of God would be called into question as to His integrity, His holiness, His virtue, His righteousness, and His perfection. God is so pure and holy that He will punish every single sin ever committed by every person, either in that person or in the substitute for that person. That is the purest heart of Christianity and soteriology."
     
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