Featured The Flesh Has No Hand in the Salvation of God's People

Your faith has saved you.
You were saved by grace trough faith
chosen for salvation through faith in the truth
Many will seek the narrow path but few will find it.

And the beat goes on.....

 

Contrary to those who misrepresent others, and do not present a quote to support the false charge, demonic behavior provides no profit for Jesus.

Your faith has saved you.
You were saved by grace trough faith
chosen for salvation through faith in the truth
Many will seek the narrow path but few will find it.

God's word is not man-centered, it is God centered!
And the beat goes on.....

 

Scripture speaks loud and clear!

Your faith has saved you. (Luke 7:50)
You were saved by grace trough faith (Ephesians 2:8)
chosen for salvation through faith in the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13)
Many will seek the narrow path but few will find it. (Luke 13:24)

God's word is not man-centered, it is God centered!
And the beat goes on.....

 

IMHO the following is when, the faith, came. The following is the, obedience of faith.



Heb 5:7,8 who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from [out of] death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

Because of, the obedience of faith, Jesus Christ was, highly exalted, raised out of the dead, and given a name above every name,

and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that is above every name, Phil 2:8,9
Heb 1:4,5 having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they. For to which of the messengers said He ever, 'My Son thou art -- I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, 'I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?'
Col 1:18 And himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all things -- himself -- first,

Your salvation is all about the faith of Christ. The Anointed.

Anointed, with what, and by Whom?

 

Where does the Bible say that we were chosen for salvation by faith in the truth?

That statement means:
1) We had to exhibit faith in Jesus atonement before God would even consider us.
2) The faith we exhibited had to be theologically correct or God would not consider the idea of choosing us.
3) Only after we had accomplished the proper and accurate type of faith, while we were still dead sinners, did God choose to elect us.

Such a teaching is never once shared in the Bible. How then can anyone declare it to be biblical?

 

Are you calling Van lost?

 

If someone holds to a man-centered theology can they be saved? Can they be one of these elect as you personally define it?

 

"For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." John 3:34.

Anointed with what? "not the Spirit by measure",
i.e., the Spirit without measure.

By Whom? No trick question there.
"Whom" spelled with a capital"W". Very good.

"God", i.e., the Godhead to be the Godhead, bodily.

Colossians 2:9; "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

 

True, but.....

Grace must come before faith.

Chosen first, before the foundation of the world, then brought to belief (Ephesians 1:4; Acts of the Apostles 9:15; Jeremiah 31:3).

True. John 6:44 applies. Yet for all that God's house is going to be filled (Luke 14:23. "Compel them to come in").

Amen!

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1) As I have said for the umpteenth time, no one seeks God before God's revelatory grace makes God know to them. The implication that is not my position is disingenuous.
2) Then the usual list of non-germane verses. All actually support that we were "chosen for salvation through faith in the truth."
3) Christ the Redeemer was chosen as the Lamb of God before the down-casting of humanity. True. Thus the choice of a redeemer corporately chose anyone and everyone that redeemer would redeem. Full Stop
4) Luke 14:23 So the master said to his slave, 'Go out to the highways and country roads and urge people to come in, so that my house will be filled.

I am going to defend truth as long as I can.... and the beat goes on

 

@Van,
1. 'We' were chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; Acts of the Apostles 9:15; Jeremiah 31:3).
2. Luke 14:23, KJV, NKJV, ESV, NKJV, NIV. 'Compel them to come in.'

 

I think the answer is yes.
Paul tells us that others shared the gospel to try hurt him, but he rejoiced that the gospel is preached. Many people, who simply are ignorant of God's sovereignty, think God saved them when they humbled themselves, repented, and said the sinners prayer. They don't know that the Bible says they were drawn in by God, made alive by God's grace, and then responded in faith. From their emotional experience they only see their side of the coin and they only speak of their experience from their perspective. God, for his part, forgives their ignorance and spreads the gospel despite its theological errors and lack of knowing the full sovereignty of God.
Just because humans are ignorant, it does not remove God's sovereign election in their lives.

 

Not tat tal. Not on the Board against the rules, or otherwise, the way I see it.

I was saved as a 10 or so year old and remember all about it, once I learned anything at all about the fact that 'salvation' is something that exists, in my mind twenties. The Holy Spirit had been with me since I was saved, and beating me up side the head teaching me all alone 'right from wrong', however, I didn't know what a Bible was at all hardly and never heard it preached, ever.

I didn't know there was a Book of Genesis or Revelation or that there were two Testaments or 'Four Gospels' until my mid twenties. I entered a good sound Baptist College to 'catch up on what I didn't know and that other people had learned in Sunday School.', etc., and wondered why they were talking about an 'Abraham' person so much and even held my hand up to ask why we were starting our study of Paul in the 8th chapter of Acts, instead of Acts 1.

My theology 'growing up'? I believed when they told me in school about me coming from a monkey. My goal was to be Huge Hefner and have 5 women in one day and told my friends one time that I didn't believe there was a God.

That I do not recommend saying that. Things drastically went down hill from there for me and not as bad as Nebuchadnezzar, but not good. The Lord used it of course, and He eventually sent witnesses to talk to my stupid head and got me into a great church hearing verse compared to verse, etc., from a great pastor and I started learning The Stuff from there.

That's my testimony and I was already a saved Elect, but I would have sounded like I was as lost as a goose flying upsidedown in a 60 mph wind.

In that little country church I learned about salvation and that you could know that you were saved and remembered the experience I had had as a young boy, under the preaching of the Gospel at a Methodist Youth Fellowship Roller Rink where the did a Karate demonstration and then said that they had something they 'wanted to share', which was then my appointed time.

Then, there in that little Baptist church I first heard the Word to base my life upon.

Now I'm here just trying to share what I have learned, for others to know, if they care to.

Like, "Looking unto Jesus the Author.... of our faith". Hebrews 12:2a.

 

LOL, are you unaware this is a mistranslation??? There is even the notion that this mistranslation gave us the dark ages!

Of course we were chosen corporately before the down-casting of humanity. That is not the issue, as you probably well know.

 

LOL, are you unaware that this is the correct translation??? As well as the KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB, the CSB has 'make them come in.' But of course, I forgot; you are wiser than all these Bible translators.