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The attacks on the word of God

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by 37818, Aug 21, 2023.

  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    No, defense of the KJV against the WH attack on the Byzantine type text, which the TR has it's roots.
     
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    KJV-only advocates also attack present English Bible translations based on the same multiple Hebrew Masoretic texts and on the same multiple Textus Receptus texts as the KJV was such as the NKJV, the Modern KJV, the KJ21, the KJ2000, etc. as well as English Bible translations of the Byzantine text type, not solely English translations of the Critical Text. Some of them will even attack the slight updates of the KJV in the King James Easy-Reading Study Bible.


    KJV-only author Doug Stauffer even maintained that “The NWT, NIV, and NKJV are three peas in a pod” (One Book Stands Alone, p. 180). Stauffer alleged that the NKJV is “one of the most insidious bibles ever to hit the market” (p. 167). Michael D. O’Neal accused the NKJV of being one of “the devil’s more crafty handiworks” (Do We Have the Word of God, p. 29).

    Jack Hyles accused the NKJV of being “of the Devil” or “satanically inspired” (Need for an Every-Word Bible, pp. 104, 97). Hyles alleged that “those rascals who edited and published the New King James Bible are false teachers” (p. 87).

    Waite’s Defined KJB listed the NKJV on a corrupt tree of Bibles with English Bibles made from the Critical Text (p. 1695). Waite claimed that “the New King James Version is the most dangerous Bible version on the market today” (Defects in the NKJV, p. 8). David Cloud asserted that “the New King James Version (NKJV) is a deception” (Answering the Myths, p. 201). William Grady contended that the NKJV “represents Satan’s ultimate deception to oppose God’s remnant” (Final Authority, p. 303).
     
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    This thread is not about KJVOnlyists. But where this whole fight has it's beginnings.

    The 1881 WH Greek text set against what had became the TR. On both sides of the arguments, it is at issue the identity of the NT text.
     
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    The text got changed. Not for the better in any respect.
     
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    The Satanic fingerprints of the underworld are all over this English Language Bible translation philosophy and practice, because it divides Christians and hinders unity and purpose.

    1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
    5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
    6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
    7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
    10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

    1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

    The scholarly men who acts on a whim to write never ending English translations with different words from different manuscripts violates the instructions above.

    2Co 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

    The beginning is with debates over the word of God, and goes downhill from there. Christians are the only people debating this issue.
     
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    If a text attributed to be the word of God has a variant word which changes that meaning. At best one word reading is what God said, the other is not the word God used. At worst neither word is the word God breathed.

    Luke 4:4.
     
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    I can’t imagine there was not a variant to every word Paul wrote in this letter but he did not use any of them. If someone in the church at Corinth would have thought a variant would be a better word than one that Paul wrote, and changed it, would that person be construed as having more apostolic authority than Paul?

    Speaking the same things seems to be important to Paul for the sake of unity and harmony. This probably included speaking the words he had written. I wonder what words God would have inspired in English.
     
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    You fail to prove your accusations to be true. The body of Christ or Christians were already divided long before 1881.

    Different sects advocated and defended their differences in doctrines from the KJV. Along with the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, other leaders of sects, religious groups, cults, and lodges have used the KJV as the basis for their teaching.

    George Dehuff wrote: "It [the KJV] was the translation that gave us the Restoration [Church of Christ] movement" (Wallace, Review of the New Versions, p. xv). Dehuff claimed that Alexander Campbell "based major arguments on the King James translation as; for example, his arguments on 'the baptism of repentance, for the remission of sins'" (Ibid., p. xvi). Walter Martin observed that many of the cults use the KJV “as a base from which to twist Scripture” (Walter Martin’s Cults Reference Bible, p. 1).
     
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    John William Burgon maintained “that the number of various readings in the New Testament properly so called has been greatly exaggerated,” and he asserted that “in reality they are exceedingly few in number” (Causes of the Corruption, p. 16; Green, UnHoly Hands, I, p. B-5).

    John William Burgon asserted: "Let it be also candidly admitted that even where (in our judgment) the Revisionists have erred, they have never had the misfortune seriously to obscure a single feature of Divine Truth" (Revision Revised, p. 232).
     
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    Do you even believe God's word is actually preserved?
     
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    Define “preserved.” Do you mean copied? Do you mean the inspiration is preserved?
     
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    Have you read the NT? The reason for writing the two letters to this church, the 4th and 5th letters of Paul, was because of the divisions in the church. Look. Apollos, the Hellenistic (?) and very gifted Jew and orator from Alexandria, Egypt could speak much better than Paul and in appearance was probably much more impressive than Paul. But the difference between he and Paul was the fact that Paul was an apostle and spoke for God. Before the NT scriptures were written, this is where the authority of God lay, in the apostles and prophets.

    Here is what the scriptures says about Apollos.
    Ac 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

    I do not doubt that many of the Corinthians gravitated to him because of his eloquence. This is Greece.

    Here is what the false teachers in Corinth who were causing the problem said about Paul.

    2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ’s, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ’s, even so are we Christ’s.
    8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
    9 That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
    10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
    11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

    Let me just say that Apollos is one of my favorite Bible personalities. It was not his fault that some were following him. It was the carnality of the Corinthians along with the false apostles there. If one reads between the lines he will find what a man of great character he was.

    My point in this post is to answer what I have underlined in your comments. The problem was with the failure of the Corinthians to understand and acknowledge the authority of God for two reasons given. One, it was because of their carnality and two, it was because of false apostles who presented themselves as authority and convinced the believers by comparing their own appearance and abilities against those of the true apostle, Paul. So you are right. The divisions happened way before 1881. It happened at the very beginning and the same problems are still around today.

    Thank God for these epistles that shows us how to deal with them and how to recognize God's real authority.
     
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    A long rant, without presenting the case evidence.
     
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    Well, okay.....
     
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