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Is the God of the Bible the Same as the God of the Qu'ran?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Piper, Sep 8, 2023.

  1. Piper

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    Christians worship God. Muslims worship “Allah” which means god. Are they the same?

    Culturally, it’s expected that the answer is an absolute and unqualified “yes.” The assumption is that all people are at the base of a mountain, taking many paths up to the same God at the top of the mountain. But this assumption couldn’t be further from the truth.

    If you read the Qu’ran or spend enough time discussing with those of Islamic faith, you will see the striking difference between the God of the Bible and Allah of the Qu’ran.

    And Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father except through me."
     
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    This is what the Quran says about Jesus, Jesus is described as the Messiah (al-Masīḥ), miraculously born of a virgin, performing miracles, accompanied by his disciples, rejected by the Jewish religious establishment, but not as crucified or dying on the cross (nor resurrected), rather as miraculously saved by God and ascending into heaven.

    So I wonder how Islamic people are saved in the Quran?... Anyone know?... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Per our New Testament Romans 6:23, ". . . For the wages of sin is death; . . ." I needed to ask a key question. How many good deeds can one do to satisfy the wage of death?

    In short their interpertation. "Salvation in Islam is only through the worship of Allah, accepting Muhammad as a prophet, doing good works, being sincere, repenting of sins, and hoping that Allah will forgive you."
    Source: Islam by topic: Salvation
     
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    Ok I'm going to pose one to you... I go by scripture, is scripture lying?... Brother Glen:)

    Revelation 5: 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
     
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    Works and the pillars of Islam
     
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    You have your answer from God Himself.
     
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    Would it be fair to say the, "Qu'ran," is from the bondwoman whereas the, "Bible," is from the freewoman?
     
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    Does everyone know that Muhammad claimed that he was unsure whether he had done enough to appease the wrath of allah?

    ie Muhammad had no peace about his eternal destiny
     
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    The only sure way of salvation in Islam is to dies in Jihad or suicide bombing

    I remember they showed Yassir Arafat on TV like 25 yrs ago waving his arm screaming Jihad Jihad Jihad

    I thought if Jihad is so great why doesn’t Yassir or the Ayatollahs do it?

    why do they prey upon the ignorant and unlearned?

    very deceptive and disingenuous if you ask me
     
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    God snd Allah are no more the same than the Lord Jesus and satan.

    Putting either pair in the same sentence is blasphemous.
     
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    "Allah" is Arabic for God, so Arabic-speaking Christians also worship "Allah." I know this firsthand since our church used to host an Arabic church in our facilities that worshipped on Sunday afternoon. We also occasionally had joint services with them where they led our worship and their pastor preached. He accommodated the English speakers in our congregation by alternating between English and Arabic in his sermon.

    Remember:
    • "God" is the English translation of the same reference.
    • The New Testament writers used the word θεός (Theos).
    • The Hebrews used the generic word אלהים (Elohim).
    So claiming that "Muslims worship 'Allah'" is essentially saying something about the language where Islam was birthed (Arabic). We might as well get upset that Spanish-speaking Christians usually refer to Jesus the Christ as "Christo" since Jesus is a common Spanish name. In that case, they are usually referring to the same Person revealed in scripture.

    The real question is whether or not the God depicted in Islam is an accurate portrayal of the true and living God revealed to Moses and through Jesus. The answer to that question is NO.
     
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    Nope not the same
     
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    I worship Jesus as God. Islam denies Jesus is God.
    This is different from the Jews not recognizing Jesus as their Messiah because God had blinded them (generally speaking) to that truth.

    No, not the same

    My understanding of Islam is that they believe they are descended from Ishmael, Abraham’s firstborn with the bond woman of Sarah.

    Some of the OT is kept to show the connection to Abraham, Moses etc, but diverges after Ishmael. Also, some of the NT is referenced, but denies the deity of Jesus as well as His death and resurrection.

    Jesus was taken up into heaven without dying and will lead the armies of God to kill all the Christians and Jews and other unbelievers, if I remember correctly, at the final battle.

    peace to you
     
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    Well I don't know all about that Islamic baloney and could care less but my question is

    What happened to Muhammad?... Brother Glen:)
     
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    Yahweh is the 'God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ' (1 Peter 1:3 etc.). Islam states that Allah 'is neither begotten nor does he beget.' Therefore ipso facto, the God of the Bible is not the same as the god of the qu'ran.
     
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    My Iranian preacher friend is adamant that Allah is not the God of the Bible. Fortunately, the Persian language has a separate pre-Muslim word for God that it can use. However, there are many former Muslim Christians who will say Allah is not the God of the Bible, and others will say he is.

    This is a huge debate among Bible translators, and I highly doubt that it will be settled here on the BB--no offense, people. :D If I were translating into a language which used "Allah," I would do my dead level best to find a different word that "Allah," perhaps even transliterating.
     
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    Muslims believe Muhammad was lifted into heaven like Enoch. In fact, I think they claim he road his donkey into heaven.

    peace to you
     
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    1 Timothy 4: 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

    Brother Glen:)
     
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