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Don't be conned by the no God assumption of Atheistic Origin "Science"

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by SavedByTheLord, Sep 6, 2023.

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    Give the Scripture for your numbers. Andromeda Galaxy is measured to be 2.48 million light years distance away. Our Sun is only 8 minutes away.
     
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    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, ..8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 ...: and God saw that it was good.11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.12 ...God saw that it was good.13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 ...16 ...17 ...8 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.21 And ....God saw that it was good.22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.28 A...29 A....30 ...31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1

    1 And God spake all these words, saying, 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exo 20:1,11

    17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. - Exo 31:17-18

    And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. - Exo 32:16

    And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. - Exo 34:1

    4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? - Matt 19:4-5

    6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Mark 10:6-9

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20

    As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: - Luke 1:70

    50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. - Luke11:50-51

    as to the genealogies and the age at which each father begat the named son, I will give the first part. You can look up Usher, as well as creation.org (I believe they have a calculation). Usher's is long. So you can look it up.

    3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
    4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
    5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
    6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
    7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
    8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
    9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
    10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
    11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
    12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
    13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
    14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
    15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
    16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
    17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
    18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
    19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
    20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
    21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
    22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
    23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
    24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
    25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
    26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
    27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
    28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
    29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
    30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
    31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
    32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
    Genesis 5:3-32

    As to the Andromeda galaxy, I already showed where the Atheistic Origin "Scientists" conned you and many others.

    You have at least 2 unproven assumptions in your reasoning.

    You assume that the speed of light is constant along the line of sight toward the Andromeda Galaxy. That is just an unproven theory as the speed of light has never been measured at such distances.

    You assume that you know the shape of space. Stretched out space is a distance possibility. In the inflationary big bang, stretched out space is actually part of the theory. That is how they get around several things which prove the big bang false - cosmic background radiation too smooth and that the big bang did not collapse on itself billions of years ago are just 2.

    Since the word of God, the Holy Bible, has been proven to be the actual word of God, then the age of the earth and the heavens is only about 6000 years. God Almighty, was actually there and obviously knows how He did it and how long ago it was. This is seen by just reading Genesis 1-2 plus adding up all the ages of the generations given in the Bible, with Christ born around 4 BC (maybe a bit before or after).

    There are many clocks that prove the earth and the universe is only thousands of years old.

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    Here is an example of the con job
    Theory the sum of every pair of numbers is 100.
    Proof 10+90, 20+80, 50+50, and many others.
    Of course 1+1 = 2 Theory falsified forever. In fact for pair of numbers that match the theory, an infinite number of pairs falsify the theory
     
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    Using Bishop James Ussher's, work, 6026 years before 2023. Less Cainan in Luke 3:36. And any unknown names.
     
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    Isaac Newton dated creation to around 4000 BC
     
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    Ussher 4004 BC. Missing Cainan in Luke 3:36.
     
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    And how much will that affect the result ? Billions of years?
     
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    Excuse me. I am not crazy. Satan exists and what I have been telling you is the truth,. By the way since Satan deceives the whole world, has he deceived those that use the no God assumption of Atheistic Origin “Science”?

    The no God assumption of Atheistic Origin “Science” would also include the no Satan assumption too.
     
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    Satan's existence is not at issue. Your false accusations are.

    I believe God's word. And what is understood to be true science.

    Get this through your head. If you are going to attribute something to Satan, provide the evidence of the falsehood.
     
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    I have not made a single false accusation. Just telling the truth so some people will get saved.
     
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    So… the 4000 BC estimate for the creation of the universe is what we call an INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE.

    From Scripture we also find that the sky is a solid firmament and there are four corners to the earth.
    We find the sun and stars dancing around an immovable earth.

    Over the years we have gathered information that helps us interpret Scripture with more precision.
    We now recognize figures of speech and perceive the imprecision of ancient beliefs about the nature of God’s creation.

    It is true that there are those whose presuppositions demand an atheistic model of the universe but the Natural Sciences do not demand that presupposition.
    There are a lot of Christians who work in the field of the natural sciences without conflicting their beliefs.

    It is not deception that makes people believe in an old universe.
    The preponderance of physical evidence points there.

    If there seems to be a problem, a disconnect, or a contradiction between science and the Bible, they should reevaluate the physical evidences AND they should reevaluate their particular interpretation of Scripture.

    God has revealed himself in his word and in his creation. His message should be the same.

    Rob
     
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    1 God Created everything in 6 days is exactly what the Bible says
    2 Adam and Eve created on day 6 is also exactly what it says
    3 The genealogies with the age of the father at the time he begat the particular son is also exactly what it says
    4 so an age of about 6000 years for the earth and the universe is determined by exactly what the Bible says.
    Please note that using real science also confirms that the earth and the universe is only thousands of years old.
     
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    Earth, is not everything. Earth has its sky so we can see what we call the universe.

    God actually created the universe to be much older than the Earth, per Hebrews 1:3. And God has no beginning, per Psalms 90:2.
     
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    I'm trying to do this, as you suggested (and assuming the chronologies were intended for dating purposes, I'm using the complete timelines as many genealogies given in Scripture have exclusions).

    How do you go from Amel-Marduk to Jesus using Scripture?

    (I know he was assassinated in 562 BCE from secular history, but am trying to follow your genealogy)

    BTW, I agree on the general idea that the Earth is about 6000 years old. This is, I have to admit, an opinion as we technically cannot date the length of 6 days prior to God creating light and Scripture itself does not provide a length except the Jewish tradition regarding sunrise and sunset.
     
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    The book of Daniel and other books talk about several kings - Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and Ahasuerus. These are historic kings. You can also use the 70 weeks prophecy from the book of Daniel. Combine that with the command from Cyrus for the children of Israel to rebuild the temple. The 70 weeks are 70 x 7 = 490 years since each day is a year. The Israelites were punished by God to wander in the desert for 40 years because they did not believe God. It was a year for each of the 40 days they spied out the land. Then of course 2000 years since the birth of Christ.
    But no matter what even if there were a few hundred years more, you will not get to billions of years.
     
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