Featured Not open theism.

The framework for the premise, God the Son limited, while incarnate, some of His omniscience, assumes this definition of Omniscience, "God knows everything imaginable." No other view is allowed to be presented.

 

I think open theism is the idea that if someone has a true autonomous free will then not even God can truly know what they might do because their decision truly does not yet exist so it can't be known. God is very wise, and powerful, and his overall plans will always come about, but even God can't know a future decision of an individual because the decision simply does not yet exist. In other words, God is the ultimate master chess player and will always win, but if your next move is really up to you and you alone, no one can know ahead of time what that move will be. Not even God.

It sounds silly, but it is the logical conclusion if you believe in a true, autonomous free will.

 

But if you've ever played chess you know that if you could know all possible moves and all possible moves that result from those moves then you would be unbeatable and it would be about as effective as knowing the future move, just not quite the same thing. And it preserves the idea of true autonomy and human free will.

 

Yes. I've listened to some of James White debating the Open Theists and frankly, without some level of Calvinistic determinism, their position is formidable. I don't personally know of a free willer who takes them on but that would be interesting to see.

 

You really do not understand scripture.

Anyone can make "against the person arguments" but they demonstrate ignorance, not intelligence.

Now I know indicates a lack of knowledge beforehand. It does not say "now your behavior confirmed My prior knowledge."

And here is a question you will not answer, when Yahweh's words are presented in the Old Testament, are they the words of God the Father, God the Son, or the words of both?

 

Non-responsive, I asked a question. Why not answer it, or say you have no idea?

 

Based on this non-stated position post, I must infer God the Father "Learned" rather than confirmed the faithfulness of Abraham. Thus Omniscience, as defined by scripture is not knowing everything imaginable, but rather knowing everything God has chosen to know.

 

Why did you state your actual view, as errant as it may be, in post # 11?

Which Omniscient are you claiming? Did you say? Nope. Why not address the issue? Why all these nonsense posts deflecting. I grow tired.

1) God is fully Omniscient Yahweh knows what He has chosen to know.

2) Your view denies "now I know!" (Genesis 22:12)

3) God the Son is a person of the Trinity. Full Stop

4) John 1:2 says God the Son was with our Triune God Yahweh. Non-germane to Omniscience

5) Ditto for John 1:3.

6) Ditto for John 1:18

7) Genesis 22:12 say God learned that Abraham's faith was total, thus teaching Omniscience means God knows whatever He has chosen to know.

 

Kinda hard to understand positions unstated as in post #11.

 

Actually, Jesus remained fully God, just chose to not know while on earth, but now fully knows all things period!

 

Yahweh, Father Jesus and the Holy Spirit were and are all knowing period