Featured Saved Without Knowing the Resurrection?

No, it does not prove your point. Your faulty approach to interpreting the Bible has led you astray in your understanding of apostolic evangelism.

Claiming that lack of mention proves absence of testimony to a given truth in a summary account of an evangelistic encounter is a deeply flawed approach that has led you to a false understanding of apostolic evangelism.

 

My experience or lack of experience concerning evangelism does not have anything to do with interpreting summary accounts of evangelism in Scripture correctly. Your hermeneutic is deeply flawed and has led you to a false understanding of apostolic evangelism.

 

1) Note the speculation casting aspersion?
2) Am I saying I do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus? That is JOJ question. More falsehood implied.
3) Does JOJ not know the difference between the revealed content of the gospel, and what people believed as credited by God?
4) Note the close that hurls yet another speculative aspersion.

Fundamentally, the idea of saying you must believe in "X, Y, and Z" to be saved is unstudied legalistic nonsense. God must credit your faith, as He knows your heart, and your commitment to follow God and your love of God are essential. If we do not believe in God, or believe God rewards those who seek Him, we certainly do not fit scripture's stated requirements. Further, if we do not believe Jesus performed His miracles by the power of God, that seems to fall short of God's required beliefs established after the resurrection. In summary, we must believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
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JOJ claims I did not answer the question, "can a person be saved without knowing about the resurrection?" However, JOJ claim is yet another falsehood as I answered "Yes" in post 54!

Does anyone know precisely what God requires in order to credit someone's faith as righteousness? Nope. That is why such claims are "unstudied legalistic nonsense."

For example, before the prophecy of the virgin birth, did the OT saints believe in Christ's virgin birth?

 

Not happening. You refuse to submit to Scripture. Further discussion would be a waste of time.

 

This is my input.

The answer is no.Three in one and one in three. The death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is the trinitarian signature. One gospel but in three parts. Anything different, less or more, is not the gospel and cannot save.

God had kept this continually before Israel for hundreds of years. They had observed the spring festival.
1) Passover - death of the Lamb
2) unleavened bread - no corruption of the body in the tomb
3) Firstfruits - resurrection


Acts 13:33-37
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

 

1Co 15:3-5 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

It is one sentence in the English as well. God, when defining it does it in trinitarian form. One in three and three in one. One sentence with three parts. If one part were missing, then faith would be in vain. This is the point.

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

There is a condition in verse 2.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

There could not be a more sure answer for the question raised in the op than this answer from the KJV.

Without a belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ one cannot be saved.

 

I would say, "Absolutely NOT!!"

The resurrection is, without any doubt, a critical aspect of the gospel. If you do not believe that Christ rose from the dead, you are not saved - period.

The resurrection isn't the only thing that one must believe. There are several things that are necessary. They comprise what I refer to as the "Gospel Proper", meaning that they comprise those doctrines which comprise the barest minimum of what one must believe in order to be counted as one who has believed the gospel and is therefore saved. They are as follows....

• God exists and is the Creator of all things and He is perfect, holy, and just.
• We, having willfully done evil things and rebelled against God, who gave us life, deserve death.
• Because God loves us, He provided for Himself a propitiation (an atoning sacrifice) by becoming a man whom we call Jesus Christ.
• Jesus, being the Creator God Himself and therefore innocent of any sin, willingly bore the sins of the world and died on our behalf.
• Jesus rose from the dead.
• If you confess with you mouth, the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. openly acknowledge your need of a savior and that He is that Savior (i.e. acknowledge the above stated truths)) and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.

While I tried to be a concise as possible, I found that it made for easier reading and comprehension if I wrote it in such a way that several of the bullet point statements comprise more than one single doctrine within them. Otherwise, the list got rather long and was harder to follow the logic of them.

I am fully persuaded that a rejection of any one, or any part of one, of the above stated doctrines is a rejection of the gospel and is sufficient to prove that one is not saved.

 

Maybe you would like to explain your non resurrection belief to the numberless multitude who are in Heaven... They are there because they belong to him and it wasn't their belief that got them there... Brother Glen

Revelation 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

It is your belief that puts you into the church of God on earth but it is Gods work alone thru his Son Jesus Christ's sacrifice and his resurrection, that puts you in Heaven.

Btw... Welcome to the BB!

 

Lets go to scripture to see if your belief stands up?... Brother Glen

Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

Saying it doesn't make it so.

The passage you quote does not speak at all to the point. It neither refutes my position nor supports yours.

I do not deny, by the way, that there will be people saved who died before there was a resurrection to believe in, if that's what you're trying to get at.

This comment also doesn't seem to connect to the topic at hand.

If you deny that Jesus rose from the dead, you are not be saved - period. If you are ignorant of the fact the Jesus rose from the dead, you are also not saved (generally speaking - (i.e. their may be exceptions see Rom. 2:14-15, but that much is entirely up to God and is outside the scope of what I'm talking about)).

Thanks!

 

Who is Brother Glen and what does this passage have to do with what we're discussing?

 

Thank you, my friend, for approaching this subject with logic and reason, and faith in the words of scripture, in their context. I find that most people commenting here do not have any context to their theology except their own denominational leaders and their writings. They ignore the prophetical and historical context completely and present their arguments as if they live in an eternal now, beginning with themselves. If one notes the passage of scripture that Bro Glen chose, this truth is evident. This passage is written, in context, to gentiles, about God's people Israel, who at the time this was written, with all the history from the cross to Acts 18 when this epistle was penned in AD 58, being past tense.

In light of the Abrahamic Covenant and those covenants to his earthly family that followed, including the New Covenant, there would need to be an explanantion of the histroy that had unfolded since the Lord Jesus had come into the world preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God was "at hand," which later, after the rejection by Israel of him, became the "mysteries" of the kingdom of heaven with a stewardship awarded to his apostles and prophets for the caretaking of his interests while he is away. During this time of God's judicial blinding and cursing of that generation of Jews, who was charged with recognizing and receiving him but rejecting him ("we will not have this man to rule over us"), God is fashioning a "new man," a second and last man, after the figure of Adam and Eve, to dwell in the Paradise with God. He calls it a "house", a family, a church, the bride of Christ, a new man, a new creature, the body of Christ. It has a beginning in Acts 2 and a fullness at the "gathering, the translation from earth to heaven, Ep 2:10; Ro 11:25.

The nation of Israel, the people of God, had been reckoned dead (separated) by God the Father because of their unbelief and rebellion,and eventually was buried in the graveyard of the nations in 70 AD, ending the apostlolic era and the ministry to the Hebrews as a people. They will be buried three days, as God counts days, a thousand years for a day, and will be raised from the dead on the third day, just like God the Son. This should not be a mystery to the careful student of the word of God because God has always reckoned Israel collectively as his firstborn son. The firstbirth always needs a second birth and the coming of Christ was the opportunity for this son of God to be born again. As a matter of fact, Jesus said to a ruler of his people, "except a man be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God," in Jn 3. He is speaking collectively here.

Ex 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: (they were born as a physical nation in Egypt but this son must be born again Jn 3:7)
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
The church with it's Jewish foundation, OTH, will take on the chararteristics of a gentile entity from this point on.

Ho 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them (blind Israel in context) be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (resurrection)

The figure closest to us of this truth is Lazarus in Jn 11. He was raised from the dead after a two day delay of the coming of Christ.

The death of Jesus Christ saved the world. The figure is the nation Israel. Their ministries are identical. The gentiles cannot be saved without Israel. The truths are intertwined in scripture record by inspiration and taught by the Holy Ghost, who gives us light because he is Light.

No salvation without faith in the resurrection. It is taught and illustrated in many ways.

 

Well, we can agree that the last sentence of your post is entirely correct.

 

You've made no case to rest. "A case" presumes you've made an argument, not merely made a claim. A claim that doesn't even make sense, by the way.

How is it that Jesus is supposed to rise from the dead if He wasn't dead?

Just what is it that you think Matthew 12:40 means other than that Jesus died and was in the grave (i.e. "buried") for three days?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​