Featured What kind of 'body' was it, when the saints at Corinth were "baptized into one body"?

I am going to step outside the box and take a wild, rash, arbitrary, random guess that you invented by fiat creation One Temple, as to number, using this same outside the box, wild, rash, arbitrary, random guesswork approach I'm using as the particular distinctive principal of Hermeneutics that you used to create One Body, as to number, by fiat, in the ecclesiological laboratory of your mind, by simply assuming with an argument from silence.

The reason I do that, is to point out how disappointing it must be, to know that you arrived at the presupposition of One Body, being as to number, arbitrarily, and you know bottom-line that you're just making your own little guess about it.

No consideration of any other option even being tabled for discussion is also as bazaar as it is arbitrary and only produces more self-dissappoint.

Don't look at me, the plain meaning of words should be adopted anytime it makes good sense, for words to mean anything, but they don't, as we learned from your article on How is the church the Body of Christ? | GotQuestions.org, where to use your expression, they are just making things up.

Ephesians 4:4.

(1) There is one body, 4
(a) This is the local assembly of baptized believers such as the ones we find at
Ephesus, this specific local church body. Ephesians 1:1; "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus,..."
(b) One body here means there is only one kind of church body in the Bible, in the mind of Jesus, or in the mind of Paul, the right kind, like the kind Jesus built and called it, "My church".
(c) Other churches exist, as local assemblies and religious societies, but they are either pagan churches or false Christian churches, which preach another gospel and another spirit and another Jesus.
(d) Many preach the correct Christ and the correct Gospel, but they do not have
the right church government, etc.
(e) There are not many different kinds of churches, only one kind, the kind that
Lord built while he was here on earth.

I can't tell you the times scriptures have been cited in favor of a purely imaginary, if not 'invisible' notion that exclusively support the very definition of the word, 'body', itself.

Ephesians 2:21; "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

The assemblies organized in The New Testament, like this local church body at Ephesus, were fellow citizens, one of another, as members in their particular household of God.

Their church body was built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone and they, continuing the architectural metaphor, are a fitly framed together congregation and grow from being an unedified, or a 'being built building', into a collection of Spiritual Worshippers, or Spiritual Temple, pleasing to the Lord.

That local body of believers continues to be Spiritually edified and built TOGETHER, as a Dwelling Place for the Spirit of God to Inhabit, and Guide in teaching, WORSHIPPING, adding members and their gifts, and ministers, etc.


19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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I can't tell you what to believe.


I don't know what to tell you, other than 'the cure for Evolution's.

The cure for Evolution is not begin by assuming it.

Once Evolution is not assumed, you look around for anything as tangible evidence and there is none, for one good reason.

There can't be any evidence of some other 'mechanism' in actual operation other than the one that is there and everywhere that God Created.

Evolution doesn't even qualify to be a theory.

By the same token, if there being the existence of only One Body, as to number, is not assumed, then what do you do, you look for somewhere else to assume it?

How about in the body of scripture?

But, wait a minute. You know what that means.

Scripture could be anywhere in the universe, hiding in Europe, Australia, Topeka, or anywhere else, if that's what 'the body of scripture', is supposed to mean.

Good Lord, all I've tried to do is Worship the Lord, when battling for the plain meaning in scripture of what it means by a church, or body, etc., if I'm right.

 

Yep. Ephesians 2:21; "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:"

The church at Ephesus was one Holy Temple in the Lord.

One of many churches that were and are Holy Temples in the Lord.

To say that there is One Temple, as to number, would be the same as saying that there is something called 'One Body', as to number.

They would both be a denial of Ephesians 4:4a; "There is one body".

Saying there is One Body of all believers, for example,
is a denial of Ephesians 4:4a; "There is one body".

I don't know if you have ever tried to do the math on it, but the presence and existence of bodies of believers, throughout the New Testament and the world since that time, can't be denied for being the local assembling church bodies that they are.

That's one definition of a body and one kind of a body.

To say there is One Body of all saved people is one more definition and kind of body, like some people call the Universal Invisible 'church'.

So, that is one body, too.

The local church body is one body, by definition and kind.

The One Body, as to number of all saved people, or the Universal Invisible 'church', is also one body, by definition and kind.

So, one local body, by definition and kind, plus One Body, as to number of all saved people, by definition and kind, or the Universal Invisible 'church', makes two total bodies, by definition and kind.

The two bodies are different, by definition and kind.

If you do the math and add one, plus one, counting the two separate kinds of bodies, you arrive at two, for the number of bodies that there are, by their two different definitions.

Therefore, the postulation presented of there being One Body, as to number of all saved people, by definition and kind, or the Universal Invisible 'church', is a straightforward denial of plain Bible teaching, in Ephesians 4:4a; "There is one body".

Any suggestions or inventions by individuals claiming the reality of something they call, "One Body", as to number of all saved people, by definition and kind, or the Universal Invisible 'church', is a denial of Ephesians 4:4a; "There is one body".

Every time.

That's all there is to it, really.

No sense trying to teach the Bible to those who don't hear it and don't want to hear it, or even assume for a split second they may be wrong about it.

Just do the math.

Within the restrictions of the Bible.

"There is one body".

 

Thank you, Salty.

Sorry man, I had to post one more, but I have no need to be eat up by it, there are plenty of other Bible topics to post on.

Thanks again!

 

This is a perfectly fine application of Bible Church Truths;

Nothing added and I'm not lying.

Great scripture quote, though.

 

How nice.

OK

 

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I am going to go out on a limb here and say that when God has words recorded for us in the Bible that we are going to get a more accurate interpretation of what God is revealing to us, by using the specific definitions of those specific words.

On the other hand, you might say that by specifically using a meaning that is the opposite of the actual definition of a word that God reveals to us in the Bible, will give a false interpretation of that word and, therefore, a misinterpretation of the entire passage as a result.

That is what takes place when one defines a solid as a liquid.

Are they the same? No difference in those two? Could they both be said to be exactly equal in essence? Every solid thing is really in the form of a liquid?

Is that true?

Is there an example from the Bible where the proper and correct interpretation of a passage can be shown to be arrived at, by selecting a specific word spoken by God and applying a definition to that word that expresses a meaning that is the opposite of itself?

Using our two words above for example and applying meaning to one of the words in these lyrics that is the opposite of itself, does it sound to you like it makes perfect sense to say, "on Christ the liquid rock I stand"? Would that be right? Just the same as saying, " on Christ the solid rock I stand"?

Right or wrong?

If that's a cool thing for us to do, is there an example from the Bible we can bring out, where that is done, or what we need to do, to arrive at a proper interpretation?

A verse where God intends for us to use the meaning of a word that is the opposite of the normal definition of that word, for us to have the correct understanding of what He is saying to us about it?

Do you know of anywhere that is done, or where we need to really do that in that way? To know for sure what we think about that verse is right on?

Where is one at?

Where a word means the opposite of itself, "as defined in the Eyes of God"?

The local people that are the members of an assembling local Temple of God, were prefigured by the local people that assembled in Solomon's Temple, which was an actual building,

...but those members who assembled as a local Temple of God, do not represent Jesus Christ. Those members as individuals are His children that have been organized into local assembly that have agreed together to congregate and worship God, as one of the bodies of Christ, which each recognizes Jesus Christ as their Head.

For Jesus to have identified Himself as the Temple that would be torn down and rebuilt in three days, for example, He was speaking of His Personal physical body, using an anatomical metaphor.

The individual members of an assembling local Temple of God are one of Jesus' local church bodies that make it one of Jesus' local Temples, or local Tabernacles, or local households of God, or local habitations of God through the Spirit, etc., that have been 'built' (using an Architectural metaphor) with an assembling collection of Spiritually saved souls and, therefore, Eternally "lively stones", being those members of them.

Individual saved people's physical bodies are said to be "the Temple of the Holy Ghost", using an anatomical metaphor, also, which is what makes them "lively", Spiritual, "stones", that when built together locally make a spiritual house.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" I Corinthians 6:19.

Why didn't you just come up with and try to say, "Christ builds dry water"?

Dryness and wetness are opposites.

Otherworldly, psychological, intangible, non material, ethereal phenomena are the opposite in meaning to the solid local bodies of individuals gathering together as one of Jesus' local Temples, or one of Jesus' local church assemblies, or local Tabernacles, or local households of God, or local habitations of God through the Spirit, etc., that have been 'built' (using an Architectural metaphor) with an assembling collection of Spiritually saved souls and, therefore, Eternally "lively stones", being those members of them.

We just probably want to remember that adding to the scriptures is not our job and nothing anyone has any business doing. Trying to invent a new meaning to the word 'Temple', by adding a modifyier that changes its connotation into the opposite of what God actually says, should be a known taboo.

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." I Peter 2:5.

When Peter has 'spiritual' modifying the word 'house', here, the lively stones, again, are local Spiritually Born Again individuals who are said to constitute a solid local 'house', when they assemble together, who each also make up a Holy priesthood, together.

To construct some new entity out of the word, 'house', and try to make it be an otherworldly, psychological, intangible, non material, ethereal phenomena would have to have the word 'spiritual' be given the opposite in meaning to the word, 'house', as it is used there, to describe one of the solid local bodies of saved individuals gathering together as one of Jesus' local churches, or solid local bodies, or local Temples.

If someone is so happy about adding to the Bible and making up new inventions that never existed in reality in any way, why don't they write about a "Universal Invisible House"? Don't they want to be consistent in their bending around of words in the Bible 180 degrees?

There has never been, nor will ever be an otherworldly, psychological, intangible, non material, ethereal 'house', talked about in the Bible, because that is the opposite in meaning to the solid local bodies of individuals gathering together as one of Jesus' local houses, made up of and built out of lively, Spiritual, stones, who are God's children He has saved congregating as that regenerated membership, which he is calling a spiritual house.

There has never been, nor will ever be an otherworldly, psychological, intangible, non material, ethereal 'church', or 'body'', or "Temple", talked about in the Bible, because those would make them have the opposite meaning to the solid local churches or solid local bodies, or Temples, of individuals gathering together as Jesus' solid local churches or solid local bodies, or Temples, that are the only kinds of churches, or bodies, congregations called a Temple, the Bible ever talks about.

Biblically speaking a church of Christ, or body of Christ, or congregating Temple, are always made up of and built out of lively, Spiritual, stones, who are God's children He has saved congregating as that regenerated membership, which Jesus called "My church", speaking of His first solid local church assembly, and "the body of Christ and members in particular", or 'Temple' that is an assembly, in which they all have particular members, and as we saw one of Jesus' solid local organizations that assembled called a spiritual house.

Local. Every time.

Unless, you are a Catholic, or Protestant, or Protestant 'baptist'.

I am a Baptist.

A Bible Baptist.

BAPTIST, btw.

Everything the Bible teaches about the phenomena attempting to use the opposite of the New Testament meanings of the words 'church', or 'body', or 'Temple', which would morph them into what men have created in their minds, when imagining the heretical teachings of a 'universal church' or 'universal body', or 'spiritual Temple', is right here:










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What you wrote stands in your head that has simply been straight up robbed of the reality that ax heads floating is Supernaturally demonstrated by the Lord's local church households or bodies being a Divinely Organized institution and have had a Holy succession from the time Jesus founded His first one, until today, and have been the habitations of God through the Spirit Who ensured their existence where He dwells locally in the mist of each one where God's children actually assemble together to bring God glory throughout all ages, world without end, if the Bible means anything instead, as mentioned in the OP.

The body that the members of the body of Christ at Corinth were water baptized into was that local body of believes there, who the Bible says were members in particular.

As long as we view a word by it's definition and synonyms, such as that of body, "In the sense of main or central part the article would fit equally well into the body of the magazine or the supplement"/ SYNONYMS main part • principal part • central part • core • heart • hub • nub • kernel

and not be trying to make a Bible word mean the exact opposite of it's definition in usage, as if it carries a meaning that it's own ANTONYM.

And I go on record saying God doesn't operate that way. Satan does.

The same one who's convinced men that switching out the underlying original language texts that edits out so much of God's word He already revealed that is Spirit and Life, as if God is behind omitting parts of 500 verses in His own words that the Holy Spirit had already given that again are Spirit and they are Life.

 

Good shot all around, atpollard! An old fashioned Shotgun blast!

To whom it may concern! Ka Pow!

I love it!