“The World” according to William Tyndale

"William Tyndale was committed to the biblical teaching of the sovereign election of God. He believed God acted before time began, in eternal love, in choosing a people whom He would save. God set His heart upon a people, elected out of the mass of fallen humanity, to be His own possession. This election of man was not based upon any foreseen choice within man. Rather, it was entirely by the free exercise of God’s will:

[Predestination] and salvation are clean taken out of our hands, and put in the hands of God only . . . for we are so weak and so uncertain, that if it stood in us, there would of a truth be no man saved; the devil, no doubt, would deceive us.

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Why does God open one man’s eyes and not another’s? Paul (Romans 9) forbids to ask why; for it is too deep for man’s capacity. God we see is honoured thereby, and His mercy set out and the more seen in the vessels of mercy. But the popish can suffer God to have no secret, hid to Himself. They have searched to come to the bottom of His bottomless wisdom: and because they cannot attain to that secret, and be too proud to let it alone, and to grant themselves ignorant, with the apostle, that knew no other than God’s glory in the elect; they go and set up free-will with the heathen philosophers, and say that a man’s free-will is the cause why God chooses one and not another, contrary unto all the Scripture.

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Tyndale affirmed that sovereign election glorifies God, humbles man, initiates salvation, and honors Scripture."

- more at William Tyndale on God’s Sovereign Election by Steven Lawson (ligonier.org)

 

As opposed to both

“The World”,

in the New Testament scriptures and not according to Tyndale,
often means the same as "the creature".

That just leaves you having to determine what "the creature" means in most, if not all, places in the New Testament.

It'll never hurt anybody to understand what God has revealed for them to know.

 

If Tyndale believed it, it is hardly 'new.'
Acts of the Apostles 17:24. 'God, who made the world, and everything in it ........'
The Greek word kosmos has several meanings and it is the context that will decide the correct one.

 

...psst, hey, you're devolving....

 

O.K., let me try and dig myself out by saying this about that:

I would like to propose,
A.) that, there may be other qualifying verses where:

is determined to be limited in its meaning, into a smaller group

and that this limited meaning of a smaller group of “all without distinction”
WILL ALWAYS BRING A RESTRICTION on:

which includes the whole group and the smaller group meaning will always reduce it down to having a meaning that is a smaller portion of the whole group that is being referred to.

In other words, verses that indicate a smaller group, such as those saying, "many", or "for the sins of His people", will restrict the verses which appear to represent the larger group, of the word “WORLD”, from still meaning the Whole World, into the smaller limited meaning of the word “WORLD” where it is then determined to be speaking of “all without distinction”.


B.) Whereas, passages using

is all inclusive, in its meaning,

and this broader meaning of “all without exception”
CAN NOT AND DOES NOT CAUSE A RESTRICTION on:

where “all without distinction” is determined to be limited in its meaning.

In other words, verses that indicate the larger group, of the word “WORLD”, as as assumed to have a meaning the Whole World, such as those using the word, "all", "world", or "the whole world", etc., do not and can not bring a controlling restriction onto the verses which appear to represent a smaller group with their meaning of the word “WORLD”, in its limited sense and force them into increasing and changing their smaller, limited sense back into speaking of the larger group of the entire world, that would then include, “all without exception”.

Hope that helps....

 

....nope, I see more devolution...

 

Which maybe we shouldn't go back into,
... for example, using the "all" with "ransom",

Whereas: "a ransom for many", in:

Matthew 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many,"

...restricts what can be meant by "all", in "a ransom for all", in:

I Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus";

6 "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,"

...since in 1 Timothy 2:6, there, "all" has to mean, "all kinds", or "all types", or "all without distinction",

...since "many", in Matthew 20:28 has already restricted this "all", in "a ransom for all", which then can not mean "all without exception".

That is one approach to determine the extent of the meaning for "all", there in I Timothy 2:6, and another approach is the confirmation, in:

I Timothy 2:1, 2, where the clincher is given as to what "all" is referring to within its own context, which shows, "all men; in verse one, to be"

2 "For kings, and for all that are in authority;" in verse 2.

By using various approaches such as these, the meaning intended by the word, "world" and "whole world", can be determined without question, or having to assume, or guess, per the O.P.

 

Egad Allen, spare us your mile long posts and respect the request of the OP.

 

See that expand feature? It still leaves more room for your valuable advertisements to not be obscured by Bible teachings.

And I hadn't wondered around after glancing down and seeing that the topic involved was ludicrous and never noticed the understated admonistion, "This is not that".

Then, since the rest was obvious non-sense, if anyone is suggesting that "for God so loved the world", or even "love not the world" could be associated with the "From what I read, Tyndale believed that WORLD literally means WORLD … like the mountains and trees and little bunny rabbits," I couldn't be bored with it.

Getting into it would unearth the word "world" as often having the exact same meaning as, "creatures", and that both of them with that meaning are used several times throughout the New Testament.

But, who here on the BB do you think is ready to drop enough of their presuppositions to be enlightened by that? And that the Bible meaning for the words "world" and "creatures" are both, "the Gentiles'"? Since they are all talking about you are me where God is giving us revelation about ourselves!

What scriptures do you think he was referring to that have the word, "world", in them?

So, since I didn't see any scriptures reference down in the body right quick, to hang my hat on, I stayed up top and didn't see the qualifier: "This is not that."

Egad, kyredneck, I'm no more perspicacious at times than you are!

 

Hey! @tyndale1946, come thither, splain this!

 

A couple of years ago I bought the Complete Works of Tyndale when Banner of Truth had an offer on. I only got about a third of my way through when I got busy with other stuff and put it on one side.
However, in what I read I didn't find anything un orthodox about Tyndale's understanding of 'world.' Can you give me an example?

As I said earlier, sometimes kosmos clearly does mean 'Planet Earth.' The context decides.

This is called 'Covenant Theology.' The intra-Trinity covenant is called the Covenant or Council of Redemption.

It is possibly known as a heresy among Roman Catholics.

 

I cannot speak for Tyndale, but I regard it as a very possible translation. Indeed, when atheists or humanists ask me how a loving God can allow wars, earthquakes, famines and the like, part of my reply involves John 3:16. This is how God has loved Planet Earth; He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The world is the way it is because of sin, but God has taken radical action to put things right. That action involves His Son paying the penalty for sin on behalf of all who will believe. When Christ returns, there will be a new heavens and new earth where righteousness reigns.

I don't say it is the only possible translation, but I think it works quite well.

 

I cannot speak for Tyndale, but I regard it as a very possible translation. Indeed, when atheists or humanists ask me how a loving God can allow wars, earthquakes, famines and the like, part of my reply involves John 3:16. This is how God has loved Planet Earth; He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The world is the way it is because of sin, but God has taken radical action to put things right. That action involves His Son paying the penalty for sin on behalf of all who will believe. When Christ returns, there will be a new heavens and new earth where righteousness reigns.

I don't say it is the only possible translation, but I think it works quite well.

 

hither and thither?!?

 

Don’t go there Stephen… instead reference the Church of England cause the RC’s too busy financing drug cartels & Illegals overwhelming countries. Think Guy Fawks, think November 5th and stop the steal.

 

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Hey! @tyndale1946, come hither, splain this!

 

LOL…. He should, after all they are addressing his names choice.

 

Someone calleth me forth?... I cometh hither and I shall not dither and I shall elucidate as a Christian Gentleman... I thinketh my learned Christian Brother William Tyndale, haveth more illustrations of the word world, as I do also... I don't believeth, he would declareth a misunderstanding of scripture as he erroreth... Haveth I answereth it plainly?... Brother Gleneth