Featured Two-fold curse of Genesis 3:16

There are some significant textual concerns in this passage.

The English Standard Version translates Genesis 3:16 in a way that introduces some uncertainty about your conclusions.

Teaching with uncertainty or some concern should not be firmly established unless they can be well supported by other portions of Scripture.

Genesis 3:16 (ESV)

To the woman he said,

“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;

in pain you shall bring forth children.​

Your desire shall be contrary(*note) to your husband,

but he shall rule over you.”​

* note - or shall be toward (see 4:7)​

The NET Bible also displays differences.

Genesis 3:16 (NET 2nd ed.)

To the woman he said,

“I will greatly increase your labor pains;
with pain you will give birth to children.
You will want to control your husband, *tn(1)
but he will dominate *tn(2) you.”​

The NET Bible Second Edition 2019

*tn(1) Heb “and toward your husband [will be] your desire.” The nominal sentence does not have a verb; a future verb must be supplied, because the focus of the oracle is on the future struggle. The precise meaning of the noun תְּשׁוּקָה (téshuqah, “desire”) is debated. Many interpreters conclude that it refers to sexual desire here, because the subject of the passage is the relationship between a wife and her husband, and because the word is used in a romantic sense in Song 7:11 HT (7:10 ET). However, this interpretation makes little sense in Gen 3:16. First, it does not fit well with the assertion “he will dominate you.” Second, it implies that sexual desire was not part of the original creation, even though the man and the woman were told to multiply. And third, it ignores the usage of the word in Gen 4:7 where it refers to sin’s desire to control and dominate Cain. (Even in Song of Songs it carries the basic idea of “control,” for it describes the young man’s desire to “have his way sexually” with the young woman.) In Gen 3:16 the Lord announces a struggle, a conflict between the man and the woman. She will desire to control him, but he will dominate her instead. This interpretation also fits the tone of the passage, which is a judgment oracle. See further Susan T. Foh, “What is the Woman’s Desire?” WTJ 37 (1975): 376–83. [link]


*tn(2) The Hebrew verb מָשַׁל (mashal) means “to rule over,” but in a way that emphasizes powerful control, domination, or mastery. This also is part of the baser human nature. The translation assumes the imperfect verb form has an objective/indicative sense here. Another option is to understand it as having a modal, desiderative nuance, “but he will want to dominate you.” In this case, the Lord simply announces the struggle without indicating who will emerge victorious.
Biblical Studies Press, The NET Bible, Second Edition. (Denmark: Thomas Nelson, 2019).

Rob

 

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This is not a curse by God in the Bible;

Nothing there to do with a woman having had a desire to rule over a man.

*"rather this is to be understood of her being solely at the will and pleasure of her husband; that whatever she desired should be referred to him, whether she should have her desire or not, or the thing she desired; it should be liable to be controlled by his will, which must determine it, and to which she must be subject,"
..

This is not a curse of God in the Bible;

God instructed men to abuse women? in the process of ruling over them?

*"and he shall rule over thee, with less kindness and gentleness, with more rigour and strictness:

"it looks as if before the transgression there was a greater equality between the man and the woman, or man did not exercise the authority over the woman he afterwards did,

"or the subjection of her to him was more pleasant and agreeable than now it would be; and this was her chastisement,"

"because she did not ask advice of her husband about eating the fruit, but did it of herself, without his will and consent, and tempted him to do the same."
...

From the will of man, to adulterate the meaning of God's Word.

Show me a man that will say, "God instructed, wrote, judged, encouraged, suggested, implied, condoned, etc., etc. something which could be articulated as it being His Will for men to be abusive toward women, by any measure or gradation of what may be called abuse, and I'll show you someone who places the will and thoughts of the flesh of man above the Revealed Will and Word of God.

*I referenced Gill's wording in his commentary for convenience and to profit and benefit from his restrained temperament.

 

Yeah, I was asking the same thing you were, "How do you get the abusive rule over woman from that verse?"

 

Maybe because the title of your post is "Two-fold curse of Genesis 3:16"
and you listed the two curses you're talking about, but neither of them is in the Bible:

Genesis, I take it.

Right.

 

What I am doing is calling your Two-fold Curses, two very distinct lies.

 

In Genesis 3:16, God Pronounced curses on Adam and Eve.

You have God speaking here:

Then you give the Two-fold curse of Genesis 3:16
that God Pronounced on them, and with Eve first;

However, to arrive at the curse God gives to the woman,
you take it upon yourself to reword the Bible;

Your quote from the KJV above says, "you will desire to control your husband".

Since when?

Where did you come up with that as the translation of the KJV?

This is the KJV on Genesis 3:16;

16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;

and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

You might like to know that I am not a fan
of attributing the exact opposite meaning of God's Word, to be God's Word.

"you will desire to control your husband", is not in the KJV I have

and "you will desire to control your husband"
happens to be the exact opposite of,
"thy desire shall be to thy husband".

"thy desire shall be to thy husband", is what God said to Eve,
as the Pronouncement of His curse on her and, coming from God Himself,
is consistent with the God of the New Testament, Who says by Paul;

To credit God with Pronouncing a curse which includes
the suggestion to sin against Him by saying
"And you will desire to control your husband" is a lie.
...

The next curse that you attribute to God saying to the man is also
to go sin against Him as God and that He makes the Pronouncement
that the man is to have rule over the woman that is abusive;

This is another lie on God and just the opposite
of what He teaches in the New Testament;

And yet you double down and want to press the point that,:

They are?

They are?

Where?

Then you want to reverse your entire narrative somehow and try to say,

What happened to, "They are right there in Genesis 3:16?

"Not a curse from God"?

So they are the Two-fold Curses in Genesis 3:16,
but they are not the Two-fold Curses in Genesis 3:16?

Then what is your entire post supposed to be,
now that you have presented God as having concluded
and determined that HIS CURSES were that Adam and Eve
were to both now go sin against Him?

Is that your opinion of what we're supposed to get out of,
"he shall rule over thee"?

Your opinion is that you have God telling men to abuse women,
in His curse He Pronounced on them, as a Command.

Keep these type of opinions lock up somewhere else.

 

Genesis 3:16, ". . . Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply | thy labor | and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. . . ."

Genesis 3:17, ". . . And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground | for thy sake; in labor | shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; . . ."