Featured I Now Know Why Some Deny the Rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ

It was preordained

 

Exactly

 

We really should be discussing someone’s access into the church via their understanding of what got them there in the first place. Then if they have the proper understanding of the Trinity, Regeneration etc..then you can add instruction.

 

The fact is this:

To my knowledge, not one person on the Baptist Board denies the rapture of the Church.

The difference lies entirely in "when" the rapture occurs, not if it occurs.

 

I define the church as all those who have trusted Christ since the Cross, and have been born again of the Spirit of God and the Word of God. In other words, the literal meaning of ekklesia, "called out assembly", sometimes referred to as the "Bride of Christ".

 

The blood of Jesus justifies.

"And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:"

 

The blood of Jesus does not justify the faithless. They die in damnation who do not have faith.

Those mentioned in Hebrews 11 were justified by faith.

 

JD, you are running around the point, which is that everyone at the BB believes in a rapture of the church.

It seems that your actual complaint is that not all of us hold a pre-trib rapture. And a secondary complaint is that not all of us believe modern day,godless, Israel is blessed by God, like you do.

Look at history. God spews the unbelieving Israelite and Jew out of the land, but he always has a remnant who are saved by grace and justified by faith. This small group is true Israel. All others are not Israel. We Gentiles who are also saved by grace and justified by faith are grafted into the tree of life, which is Christ Jesus our Lord. He is the root and the stem. Everyone who has been saved by grace and justified by faith is connected to this tree. This lineage goes from Adam to the present moment and is established in the covenant of grace.

 

I agree.

 

Your verse in Hebrews 11 to prove your point?

Faith does not justify. The Blood of Jesus is God's only justification. The verse I gave you said they died without receiving the promise. Their faith got them into Abraham's bosom. The Blood of Christ released them from Death and gave them eternal life at the Cross. They were the firstfruits of the NT church.

 

Again, you are entirely wrong. We embrace the church as the body of Christ, all believers from Adam to the present moment.

You seem dead set on preaching segregation of the saints. I don't see God segregating those whom He has purchased.

Do you think the Bible preaches segregation of the saints from the saints?

 

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

You only have faith if you are justified. You are turning faith into your own work that justifies yourself through your own means. Or you would agree that only the Blood of Jesus justifies an individual. You are also missing the whole point of faith as given in Hebrews 11, so you went elsewhere. Faith only is acknowledged by being obedient to God.

The only faith that justifies is the faith that the Blood of Jesus covers your sin. The obedience is accepting God's grace. Once you are obedient to God in the acceptance of what Jesus accomplished on the Cross, you are credited with that faith that justifies. Romans 3:24

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

"Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

But not just trusted God in belief. Abraham obeyed God to show that belief. Just claiming you trust God and then never obeying God, grants you nothing. Because the words are not the faith.

"And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."

You tend to be skipping over the substance and just looking at the term faith which is meaningless without the substance, obedience.

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."

Paul is talking still about the faith Jesus Christ had in obedience to God, and that was the Cross that still is the only justification for sin. Had Jesus never died on the Cross, the faith in Galatians 3:24 would never exist.

You don't have to "have faith". You have to be obedient to the salvation God offers, and you will be credited with faith. Jesus was obedient to the Cross and that was the faith of Jesus in comparison with the lack of faith, when Adam disobeyed God, in the one thing God commanded of Adam.

 

Well, we are only just getting started here, right?

What am I supposed to do, start off by writing a book length essay so that all your potential questions are answered by the time you've read through my first post? If you have a question or want clarification about something I've said then just ask me! This is a discussion forum, right? Maybe try to have an actual discussion where two people bat things around and maybe learn something from each other.