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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Jan 7, 2024.

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  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Again, cite the scripture.
     
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    If this is not being 'replaced' then I don't understand the meaning of the word:

    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Mt 21

    Just as God rent the kingdom from the house of Saul and gave it to the house of David so He did with the house of apostate Judiaiasm to the house of Christ:

    28 And Samuel said unto him, Jehovah hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbor of thine, that is better than thou. 1 Sam 15
     
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    That physical promise was fulfilled long ago:

    1 Kings 4:20-21 Judah and Israel were many, as the sand which is by the sea in multitude, eating and drinking, and making merry. And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life.

    God teaches in His Word, the Bible, that the Bible is ALL about the salvation that Christ Jesus accomplished on behalf of God's elect - from Genesis through Revelation. It is not about a patch of dirt next to the Mediterranean Sea, except for the purpose during a period of time when it was a means that God used to bring His Son into the world in a perfectly flawless, sinless human body to work out a perfect righteousness, a perfect salvation, on behalf of all those(Jews and Gentiles) whom God the Father gave to God the Son to be their Surety before the world began, and who the Holy Spirit regenerates to spiritual life in Christ Jesus.

    A better term than "replacement theology" is fulfillment theology - as ALL of God's promises from Genesis through Revelation have been fulfilled to save ALL of God's elect who ever and will ever live.
     
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    I am a dispensationalist because of logic and reason and faith in the words of the scriptures.You are what you are because you are not constrained by the words and context of scripture. You have read some of the scriptures and believe yourself to be a new Hebrew, an Israelite, a member of the family of Jacob, a Jew and you think someone else is confused.

    Psalms 14:7
    Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

    So you think this Psalm is about you, eh?


    Psalms 105:1-6
    1 O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.
    2 Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him: talk ye of all his wondrous works.
    3 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
    4 Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.
    5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
    6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.


    Psalms 105:7-15
    7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
    8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
    9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
    10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
    11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
    12 When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.
    13 When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;
    14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
    15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Everything God does between then and now is in connection with his covenant with Abraham.

    but you don’t believe that do you?


    Psalms 105:41-44
    41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
    42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.
    43 And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:
    44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;
     
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    Yes. I am a 'true Jew', born from Jerusalem above Galatians 4:26, with a circumcised heart with the law written upon it Romans 2:29, Romans 2:13-15, of the 'true circumcision' Philippians 3:3, of the new creature 'the Israel of God' Galatians 6:15-16.

    I am 'Abraham's seed' Galatians 3:29.
     
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    Romans 2:28-29

    You die hard Dispies just can't get past the letter, can you?

    "...circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter..."
     
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    Ephesians 2:14-22 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    (emphasis mine)
     
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    Galatians 2:21, ". . . I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. . . ."

    Post #73 is your post.
     
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    Yes, there is a clear distinction between Israel and Israel:

    6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: Ro 9

    "...circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter..."
     
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    ??? What has this to do with anything I've posted? Are you on the right thread?

    Yes it is. What's your point? Got one?
     
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    What was your point?
    What was your ppint?
     
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    Nonsense.
    Galatians 6:15-16, ". . . For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
     
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    Not such good reading comprehension skills, eh?
     
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    Then let's see how you make sense of "they are not all Israel, that are of Israel".

    Expound on it please.
     
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    Give us 'your take' on the "Israel of God", where neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, in this passage.

    Expound on it please.
     
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    In regards to what?
     
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    Lost and saved Israel.
     
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    Salvation is not a matter of circumcision or uncircumcision.
    Saved Israel are of the circumcision.
     
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    'Lost' and 'saved' is not even in the context.

    6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
    7 neither, because they are Abraham`s seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
    8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. Ro 9
     
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