Featured Faith is the result of Election !

I would not go so far as you have in your condemnation of the Calvinist view. While I do not agree with a number of their views I would still call them my Christian brother or sister.

 

I disagree Faith is the cause of Election because Faith is trust, within the Godhead and scripture say it is God the Father, who trusted God his Son and gave those to be saved eternally to his Son Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." It was God who first trusted in Christ. This trust in Christ was that Christ would fulfill the covenant work in the covenant of redemption. God was confident that Christ would fulfill this work. Our obtaining this eternal inheritance is to the praise of God's glory. It has to be God's glory, because he is the one who is responsible for us having this inheritance and we did nothing to earn this inheritance... Brother Glen

 

It’s divine grace and it’s deliverance from sin… Freedom!

 

BF you treat Act_13:48 as if it contains the phrase by God when it does not. You interpret it irrespective of Act_13:46 which sets the contextual tone.

The gentiles had heard Paul's gospel message, those that accepted it and trusted in the one spoken of took that direction for eternal life, and believed.

The meaning of this word {τεταγμένοι G5021} must be determined by the context. The Jews had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life: {Act_13:46} the Gentiles, as many as were disposed to eternal life, {Act_13:48} believed. In both cases it is the person, Jew or Gentile, that made the choice.

Context BF context, you keep pulling verses out of their context and this causes you to come to a wrong conclusion.

 

Again BF you overlook context.The qualifying factor of Joh_6:37 is found in Joh_6:36, namely, belief. Point of fact we are told this is the work that God requires of us. Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

The Father gives to Christ, the Elect One, those that by His grace He has saved due to their faith. Eph 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith…” One is only elect when they are in the Son and they are only in the Son through faith.

BF you keep referring to random verses to support your view, why do you continue to ignore context?
Yes Christ is the Good Shepherd who laid down His life for His sheep, we all understand that. But you want to limit those sheep to a pre-selected few which the biblical text does not do. Joh 10:9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

What Election before the foundation? That is just a calvinist misreading of the text of Eph 1:4. Calvinists read into the text what they need to find. God foreknowing who will trust in the Son is not God causing them to trust in the Son.

Do you not trust scripture when it tells us anyone can be saved? Rom 1:16 ".. the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek."

While it is true that God foreknows all that will come to faith, it is also true they must choose to be saved by a definite act of the will.

Question for you BF:
Can God create a world where humans sometimes experience LFW and yet God foreknows every future event that will occur?

 

This Calvinist view is wrong.

1) To what does "from the beginning" refer? Calvinist claim it refers to our individual election before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4. However since no one was transferred into Christ spiritually before He physically died on the cross, this view is bogus.

2) We are individually chosen "through" or by means of " faith in the truth, so during our physical lifetime after we trust fully in Christ.

3) Through sanctification refers to being set apart in Christ.

4) "he called (invited) you through (or by means of) His gospel. Thus again requiring our hearing the gospel during our lifetime.

5) Faith is not the cause of our election, but rather God crediting our faith as righteousness that is the cause of our election.

 

@Van your # 5 comment really makes no sense. Faith is not the cause of our election but Faith is the cause of our election. What does, Eph 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith..." say?
Yes I know that God saves us but He saves/elects those that have faith in His risen Son.

God's response to our faith is election, so faith is the cause of our election. No faith, No election.

 

Nupe! There are many "whoevers" in Scripture, such as John 3:16.. They all read "whoever", NOT "whoever if elect" ! Calvinism is wrong.

 

Matthew 10:32

John 3:15-16“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved."

Acts 10:43 "To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

Romans 10:13 "For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

NOT ONE "WHOEVER IF ELECT" ! And who does "whoever" exclude ?????????????????????????

 

Who decides whether our faith will result in election, the person professing faith or God? What does God crediting our faith as righteousness accomplish, if He saves those with unrighteous faith?

 

Here is how God's testimony laid out in the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.​

1) To what does "from the beginning" refer? Calvinist claim it refers to our individual election before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4. However since no one was transferred into Christ spiritually before He physically died on the cross, this view is bogus. Note we all lived without mercy so we were not elected during the first part of our physical life.

2) We are individually chosen "through" or by means of " faith in the truth, so during our physical lifetime after we trust fully in Christ.

3) Through sanctification refers to being set apart in Christ. Thus our individual election under the New Covenant did not occur before Christ became our means of salvation on the cross.

4) "he called (invited) you through (or by means of) His gospel. Thus again requiring our hearing the gospel during our lifetime.

5) Faith is not the cause of our election, but rather God crediting our faith as righteousness that is the cause of our election.

 

Context BF context. You are reading into the text what you want to find. But that seems to be quite common among Calvinists.

I can understand why you are afraid of context as it shows you the error of your theology. The bible is not a book of on e liners as calvinists like to treat it.

By your method you can make the bible say just about anything you want it to say. So it is not the bible you believe but yourself. It is really sad when you have so little regard for the inspired Word of God that you think you can change it at will.

 

BF again you ignore context. As long as you continue along that line you will never understand the inspired Word of God.

Your continued abuse of His word shows that you are ashamed of His word. If you had any regard for it you would not twist it the way you do.

Why did you not answer my question BF? Afraid of the truth?
Let's try again.

Can God create a world where humans sometimes experience LFW and yet God foreknows every future event that will occur?