Featured Supralapasarian "Hyper-Calvinism" Defended

A factitious Mob Boss in the show, the Supranos.

 

Using Bible verses is good but if we are quoting the same passage and holding it as true and yet coming up with different interpretations of what it means - well that will require thinking and further discussion.

 

The similarities are uncanny.

 

See Dave’s comment #145

 

That would probably be your combatants comments as well. Do you not see them claiming your stance as unscriptural? Come on Ken, open your eyes!

 

Depends, "original sin" who's are you referring to, Eve, Adam, Satan or what? And how you understand what that term means.

I know what the bible says regarding sin but the term is not found in the bible so it is something that has to be imported by man.

It is a term that has greatly misused so the question is what does it mean to you and then I can say whether I agree with your view.

 

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

 

That the Sins of Adam are imputed to the sons.

 

Is this not the answer?

 

I’m exiting this discussion however I do recall Someone telling me that the Recording Angel will not accept the excusethat others made me what I am, and that I’m blameless for the final outcome.

In any case, one can (as some ppl have) use misfortune, bad times, etc., to educate and elevate themselves… evidenced by my ancestors who fled poverty to build better lives in America, always educating & elevating themselves. I view this as being the creatures choice granted by God in order to live and grow. And if I believe in any Deity, I would thank and bless Him for this liberty of choice, otherwise we would be slaves to the devil contributing to untold evil. And I refuse to believe that those are the planned intentions of a sovereign God.

 

There is some truth in this. I think it was MacArthur who said that if you can read Edward's works on holy affections and come out still thinking you are a Christian you are doing very well. Owen spent much time teaching on examining yourself and avoiding apostacy and shipwreck. I have a book "Still Sovereign" which is from a Calvinist perspective but more modern and they joke that a non-Calvinist is worried whether they are saved or not and a Calvinist worries whether they are elect.

The thing is, the Calvinist literature that wants you to examine yourself definitely is expecting you to do something about it no matter how much the official teaching is that salvation is "all of God". There are "conditions" for salvation yet scripture does not seem to indicate that God provides the means then sits back passively to await whatever we do in response.

I find it funny that almost all strict Calvinists who put everything on election seem to think that they, by the way, are elect. The only exception I know of was William Cowper, whose story is so sad that it will just about make you cry.

 

That view is not found in the bible. It is something that man has read into the text.

 

Ah Ken, as I age I’m starting to look like that myself. LOL Bald, glasses, gray hair and beard ( cause I can’t be bothered to shave every day ). What you don’t see is my sweatpants & cane… I’m even thinking about buying Velcro sneakers. Ahhh age!

 

That view is not found in the bible. It is something that man has read into the text.

 

The list which follows brings out in a striking manner the peculiar finish and perfection which belongs to the Christian. Ellicott's Commentary

Note Paul is contrasting the natural man with the Christian as context shows.