The 14th Nisan (A Preparation Day; before the Sabbath High Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

The 14th Nisan (Preparation Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

It is clearly proven that the Preparation Day in Jesus' year of crucifixion
could not possibly be the Friday before a double Sabbath
(Friday evening to Saturday evening):

1.) The evangelists underline that this Preparation Day
was the day before the "High Sabbath".

If it were a Preparation Day before a double Sabbath,
this particular explanation would be superfluous.

A simple remark "on the Preparation Day" would have been quite sufficient,
since the Passover lambs are always slaughtered on the 14th of Nisan.

But just this emphasis and differentiation shows that the 15th Nisan
cannot have fallen on a double Sabbath.

2.) Since Jesus had to be dead and in the tomb
no less and no more than "3 days and 3 nights" (Matthew 12:38-40),
it is clear that the 14th Nisan could not possibly have fallen before a double Sabbath.

Otherwise Jesus would only be dead for 1.5 days.

Thus he would not have fulfilled the sign of the Messiah at all.

Theologians and Pastors have made the terrible claim
that Jesus only spoke "symbolically" of 3 days and 3 nights,
but in reality meant half of them.

No, symbolically it is only for those who do not know the calendar of God
and wish for Sunday.

So they claim that Jesus supposedly lied to us
and did not fulfill "the sign of the Messiah".

(Alan's Note: and "the sign of the Messiah" is the Most Important Prophecy ever(?)

Jesus knew exactly what he said and "3 days and 3 nights"
is understood by every child.

Not one day and not one night must be missing, even if it is not 72 hours,
because in Israel a day that has begun is considered the "first day" in the census
(compare the birth or the funeral of a child).

3.) The Bible never speaks of only one Sabbath, but of TWO Sabbaths,
namely the High Sabbath (annual Sabbath, 15th Nisan) on which all rested

and the "one of the Sabbaths" or the "first Sabbath" (weekly Sabbath; 17th Nisan)
on which the women came to the tomb.

But if there are TWO Sabbaths, then there cannot possibly be a double Sabbath.

4.) Between the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan) and the Resurrection Sabbath (17th Nisan)
there had to be at least one working day in between
because the women prepared the ointments "after the Sabbath"

and then rested on the following Sabbath to come again "on a Sabbath",
(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day; The One Day between the Two Sabbaths),

The women could only buy and prepare the ointments they needed after the High Sabbath.

This was on the day between the two Sabbaths.

5.) Moreover, the Day of Resurrection was clearly named "Sabbath",
so that all discussions and doubts would not arise in the first place.

So a double Sabbath is completely out of the question this year.

...And God spoke of a very specific Sabbath,
the "first Sabbath" (Mark 16:9) of a series of seven weekly Sabbaths,
counted every year between Passover and Pentecost, for 3,500 years.

Therefore, an alleged crucifixion before a double Sabbath (that is, on a Friday)
is biblically completely impossible.

6.) So far no human being has found the corresponding Greek words
for "Friday" and "Sunday" in the NT for 2,000 years.

The Preparation Day of the 14th Nisan
was never called "Friday" (or 6th day of the week) in the Bible,

and an alleged "double Sabbath" was never mentioned by the evangelists.

7.) There is only one biblical truth,

but no one wants to hear it,
so the Word of God is reinterpreted and twisted by the pastors
in such a way "that the beams bend".

But the children of God do not fall for these tricks.

A supposed double Sabbath would only produce contradictions
that no one can ever explain.

In some books which want to destroy the Authority of the Bible,
exactly these contradictions are pointed out.

But the basic Greek text has no contradictions,
only the theologians with their Sunday teaching have produced these contradictions,
as is easy to prove (see Interlinear text).

The events of Mark 14:12-16 are the 14th of Nisan, the day before Christ was crucifired.

37818 said:

The events of Mark 14:12-16 are the 14th of Nisan,
the day before Christ was crucifired.

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Yep.

37818 said:

The events of Mark 14:12-16 are the 14th of Nisan

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Yep.

And, as you very well know, or should know, i.e.,
you have said enough times that you know,
Nison 14 begins at 6:00 pm, and thus,
"The events of Mark 14:12-16 are the 14th of Nisan",

very well could have taken place, after 6:00 pm,

and yet, Nison 14 did not come to an end, until 24 hours later;

until 1.) That evening had expired, with the sun setting at dusk,
on that Nison 14, turned into the twilight of nighttime,

and 2.) the entire nighttime of Nison 14, to midnight came and went
and until the morning of the next day of Nison 14 had taken place,

3,) & with that dawning of a new day in the morning daylight of Nison 14,
was the DAY on which The Passover Lamb, Jesus Christ, was crucified,

& 4.) Then, Jesus was buried before Nison 14 ended at 6:00 pm,
24 hours after it had begun,
at 6:00 pm on Tuesday, Nison 13.

37818 said:

the day before Christ was crucifired.

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Nison 14, after 6:00 pm Tuesday, Nison 13,
was, "the day before Christ was crucified",

and......(after "their Wednesday evening",
of what would have been our Tuesday night),

the dawning of the following new day
was the day Christ was crucified,

in the daytime of Nison 14, before 6:00 pm,

when it would become Nison 15.

Alan Gross said:

and yet, Nison 14 did not come to an end, until 24 hours later;

until 1.) That evening had expired, with the sun setting at dusk,
on that Nison 14, turned into the twilight of nighttime,

and 2.) the entire nighttime of Nison 14, to midnight came and went
and until the morning of the next day of Nison 14 had taken place,

3,) & with that dawning of a new day in the morning daylight of Nison 14,
was the DAY on which The Passover Lamb, Jesus Christ, was crucified,

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Then you unwittingly denied Mark 14:12-16 was 14th being the day before Christ was crucified being after Mark 14:17 on the 15th!
The day of the one sin offering the day of the first of .7 feast of unleavened bread lambs. See Numbers 28:21-22 [16-25].

37818 said:

Then you unwittingly denied Mark 14:12-16 was 14th being the day before Christ was crucified being after Mark 14:17 on the 15th!
The day of the one sin offering the day of the first of .7 feast of unleavened bread lambs. See Number 28:21-22 [16-25].

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@Alan Gross is not.

I disagree with his day, but it is a possible choice.

Mark does not have Christ being crucified on Nisan 15.

Here is why the crucifixion could not have occurred on the 15th:

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it .(Lev 23)

On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them (Exodus 12)

The reason 15 Nisan is a holy day is because "they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with boldness in the sight of all the Egyptians." (Numbers 33)

And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work. (Numbers 28)

And they ate of the produce of the land on the day after the Passover, unleavened bread and parched grain, on the very same day. (Joshua 5)



Whatever the year, whatever the date, whatever the day....there are some things we do know.


Jesus was crucified ified on 14 Nisan (which is according to the Gospels....to include Mark). It is not possible for Jesus to have been crucifiedon 15 Nisan.

@Alan Gross gives a possible day (Wednesday, Nisan 14 30 AD and Friday Nisan 14 33 AD are the only possible dates for the crucifixion if our understanding of the years are correct).

You are arguing for a date that is contrary to Scripture and does not align with Mark. The reason is that you misread "the first day of unleavened bread" to be the Feast (see Luke) and ignore "when the even came".

Mark tells us that on the first day of unleavened bread, when the Passover was being killed - this would be 14 Nisan (the "first evening", or our afternoon prior to the date) Jesus sent two disciples ahead and arrived with the Twelve when evening had come (sunset).

This was Jewish custom. The Lamb is slain, and then sacrificed refined, the priests partook (ritually), the people left the Temple, they arrived home, and at sunset they ate the meal. That morning would also be 14 Nisan.

Alan Gross said:

The 14th Nisan (Preparation Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

It is clearly proven that the Preparation Day in Jesus' year of crucifixion
could not possibly be the Friday before a double Sabbath
(Friday evening to Saturday evening):

1.) The evangelists underline that this Preparation Day
was the day before the "High Sabbath".

If it were a Preparation Day before a double Sabbath,
this particular explanation would be superfluous.

A simple remark "on the Preparation Day" would have been quite sufficient,
since the Passover lambs are always slaughtered on the 14th of Nisan.

But just this emphasis and differentiation shows that the 15th Nisan
cannot have fallen on a double Sabbath.

2.) Since Jesus had to be dead and in the tomb
no less and no more than "3 days and 3 nights" (Matthew 12:38-40),
it is clear that the 14th Nisan could not possibly have fallen before a double Sabbath.

Otherwise Jesus would only be dead for 1.5 days.

Thus he would not have fulfilled the sign of the Messiah at all.

Theologians and Pastors have made the terrible claim
that Jesus only spoke "symbolically" of 3 days and 3 nights,
but in reality meant half of them.

No, symbolically it is only for those who do not know the calendar of God
and wish for Sunday.

So they claim that Jesus supposedly lied to us
and did not fulfill "the sign of the Messiah".

(Alan's Note: and "the sign of the Messiah" is the Most Important Prophecy ever(?)

Jesus knew exactly what he said and "3 days and 3 nights"
is understood by every child.

Not one day and not one night must be missing, even if it is not 72 hours,
because in Israel a day that has begun is considered the "first day" in the census
(compare the birth or the funeral of a child).

3.) The Bible never speaks of only one Sabbath, but of TWO Sabbaths,
namely the High Sabbath (annual Sabbath, 15th Nisan) on which all rested

and the "one of the Sabbaths" or the "first Sabbath" (weekly Sabbath; 17th Nisan)
on which the women came to the tomb.

But if there are TWO Sabbaths, then there cannot possibly be a double Sabbath.

4.) Between the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan) and the Resurrection Sabbath (17th Nisan)
there had to be at least one working day in between
because the women prepared the ointments "after the Sabbath"

and then rested on the following Sabbath to come again "on a Sabbath",
(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day; The One Day between the Two Sabbaths),

The women could only buy and prepare the ointments they needed after the High Sabbath.

This was on the day between the two Sabbaths.

5.) Moreover, the Day of Resurrection was clearly named "Sabbath",
so that all discussions and doubts would not arise in the first place.

So a double Sabbath is completely out of the question this year.

...And God spoke of a very specific Sabbath,
the "first Sabbath" (Mark 16:9) of a series of seven weekly Sabbaths,
counted every year between Passover and Pentecost, for 3,500 years.

Therefore, an alleged crucifixion before a double Sabbath (that is, on a Friday)
is biblically completely impossible.

6.) So far no human being has found the corresponding Greek words
for "Friday" and "Sunday" in the NT for 2,000 years.

The Preparation Day of the 14th Nisan
was never called "Friday" (or 6th day of the week) in the Bible,

and an alleged "double Sabbath" was never mentioned by the evangelists.

7.) There is only one biblical truth,

but no one wants to hear it,
so the Word of God is reinterpreted and twisted by the pastors
in such a way "that the beams bend".

But the children of God do not fall for these tricks.

A supposed double Sabbath would only produce contradictions
that no one can ever explain.

In some books which want to destroy the Authority of the Bible,
exactly these contradictions are pointed out.

But the basic Greek text has no contradictions,
only the theologians with their Sunday teaching have produced these contradictions,
as is easy to prove (see Interlinear text).

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No, it is not clearly proven.

It depends on whether one uses a Jewish or Western day.

The term "High Sabbath"was used by the KJV translators. The actual Greek simply specifies that "that Sabbath" (the Sabbath flowing Jesus burial) was a high day.

The reason given for the preperation day is that the following day was the Sabbath.


What people who follow the Jewish method of a day consider a "double sabbath" is simply a holy day set as a day of holy convocation (they interpret "Sabbath because the Sabbath is also a day of holy convocation) fell on an actual Sabbath.


So it depends on what we choose to count as a day - do we use a Jewush "night-day" or do we use a Western "day"?



Another wrench in your logic is that you are assuming the Jewish leadership in the 1St Century did not create laws in addition to the Law.

Regardless of the OT, the Passover and feasts were observed when the priests determined they would be held.

That said, I believe they observed it with a similar schedule (they prescribed times to slay the passover, to sacrifice the passover, for the priest's ritual meal, etc.).


You are incorrect that Friday is not Biblically possible. But that does not mean it was Friday.

The two days that could fit are Wendsday (if a Western day is used) and Friday (if a Hebrew day is used).

Alan Gross said:

The 14th Nisan (Preparation Day) was not before a double Sabbath.

It is clearly proven that the Preparation Day in Jesus' year of crucifixion
could not possibly be the Friday before a double Sabbath
(Friday evening to Saturday evening):

1.) The evangelists underline that this Preparation Day
was the day before the "High Sabbath".

If it were a Preparation Day before a double Sabbath,
this particular explanation would be superfluous.

A simple remark "on the Preparation Day" would have been quite sufficient,
since the Passover lambs are always slaughtered on the 14th of Nisan.

But just this emphasis and differentiation shows that the 15th Nisan
cannot have fallen on a double Sabbath.

2.) Since Jesus had to be dead and in the tomb
no less and no more than "3 days and 3 nights" (Matthew 12:38-40),
it is clear that the 14th Nisan could not possibly have fallen before a double Sabbath.

Otherwise Jesus would only be dead for 1.5 days. . . .

3.) The Bible never speaks of only one Sabbath, but of TWO Sabbaths,
namely the High Sabbath (annual Sabbath, 15th Nisan) on which all rested

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A few observations:

1. The Biblical observation in John is "that Sabbath" was a "high day". The other gospels leave it as a Sabbath.

15 Nisan itself is a "high day" (it, along with 32 Nisan) is a day set aside as a day for holy convocation. But this is not called a "sabbath" in the Bible.

The use of "preperation day" prior to 15 Nisan is also questionable ("preperation day" was the day work was completed in preparation for a Sabbath....the main work was preparing for the Sabbath itself as meals could not be fixed on a Sabbath....BUT the preparation of food IS allowed on 15 Nisan).

"Preparation Day" in Jesus' time was used to describe Friday as normal work was not done on Saturday.

2. Hebrew days are "night-days" and a part is considered a full for counting purposes. This is how Ester's feast lasting "3 days and 3 nights" but in Scripture was 2 days (our days) is not a Biblical error.

Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is 3 days and 3 nights.

3. There is only one "Sabbath" (day). It is the 7th day. The 15th of Nisan is not a "sabbath". When we say "double sabbath" we are technically wrong but emphasizing that it is not possible that the crucifixion occurred on 15 Nisan because it was set aside as a holy convocation.

The Sabbath following Christ's burial was also a "high day". There are two options - 15 and 21 Nisan. I don't believe 21 Nisan works because Mark is very clear that Jesus was crucified on 14 Nisan.

JonC said:

Mark does not have Christ being crucified on Nisan 15.

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You don't understand why Mark 14:12-16 is the day before Christ was crucified on the 15th of Nisan.

JonC said:

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

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Those 7 days of unleavened bread are counted out. 14th through the 20th, per Exodus 12:18. Now it's feast days are the 15th through the 21st where only 6 days of the 7 also per Deuteronomy 16:8. And only in Numbers 28:22 is the one Passover sin offering mentioned.

Numbers 28:17 is the parallel passage to Leviticus 23:6. And Deuteronomy 16:8 is the confirmation passage to the distriction of the unleavened bread days from the feast days per Exodus 12:18.
The book order, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Exodus 12:18.
Leviticus 23:5-8.
Numbers 28:16-25.
Deuteronomy 16:8.

37818 said:

You don't understand why Mark 14:12-16 is the day before Christ was crucified on the 15th of Nisan.

Those 7 days of unleavened bread are counted out. 14th through the 20th, per Exodus 12:18. Now it's feast days are the 15th through the 21st where only 6 days of the 7 also per Deuteronomy 16:8. And only in Numbers 28:22 is the one Passover sin offering mentioned.

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We simply disagree.

Your logic is faulty. You appeal to Numbers for the Passover yet you completely ignore what the passage states about 15 Nisan.

The crucifixion could not have occurred on 15 Nisan.

Per Mark it occurred the day after the evening that began 14 Nisan.

The Passover lamb was killed and sacrificed the afternoon of 14 Nisan (per 1st Century Jewish law between 1pm and 3 pm, depending on the day the morning following the meal fell). This was counted as 14 Nisan (from just past where the sun is at its apex to sunset was "between the evenings).

When the evening came (around sunset) the Jews would have ate the meal. Then the Jews would have left the Temple (the courtyard). This would be late afternoon. Jewish law has the Passover being sacrificed about an hour after it is killed. The priests were to hold the meal ritual just after the sacrifice. So people would be headed home around 2 to 4pm (depending on the day that the morning followed the meal landed). This was also 14 Nisan.

At sunset (the "official" start of the next day) the Jews would eat the meal. This was also 14 Nisan.

Jesus prayed in the Harden and was arrested. This was at night, but also 14 Nisan.

Early in the morning (this would be before light) the Jews brought Jesus before Rome. This would still be 14 Nisan.

Jesus was presented to the Jewish leaders around 9am. Again, 14 Nisan.

Jesus died around 3 pm. One could count activities pertaining to 15 Nisan here.....if there were any...but it is still 14 Nisan (still lawful to work as the sun has not set.....it's "between the evenings").

Jesus would have to be buried before sunset on q4 Nisan.....no exceptions.



You have set an odd timeliness in your mind, and although no legitimate scholar would hold it you can't seem to shake free.

Doesn't matter to me what you believe insofar as dates go, mind you. I'm merely posting for those who are interested in history.

You could say Jesus died on Monday and a time warp pushed Him up a day. As long as you agree with the resurrection, go for it. But you are wrong.

37818 said:

Numbers 28:17 is the parallel passage to Leviticus 23:6. And Deuteronomy 16:8 is the confirmation passage to the distriction of the unleavened bread days from the feast days per Exodus 12:18.
The book order, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Exodus 12:18.
Leviticus 23:5-8.
Numbers 28:16-25.
Deuteronomy 16:8.

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Actually, those passages confirm that the first day of unleavened bread (the Passover) was the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21, with 15 and 21 being days of "holy convocation" ).

AND those passages confirm that tge crucifixion could not have occurred on 15 Nisan (because the 15th and 21st were days of holy convocation.... priests would be at the Temple dedicated to Scripture associated with the Exodus, no work could be done except for making meals).


Don't just cherry pick verses. Read the whole passage and you may understand why it was important to the Jews that Jesus be killed before the 15th of Nisan and why it could not have been o. 15 or 21 Nisan.

JonC said:

The Passover lamb was killed and sacrificed the afternoon of 14 Nisan . . . .

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Which Mark 14:12 refers, . . . the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . . .

Fact the 8 days per Exodus 12:18 are 14 through 21. And the 7 days of unleavened bread are 14 through 20. Agreed?
The 7 days of the feast are 15 through 21. Agreed?
How many of the feast are the days 14 through 20? Per Exodus 12:18. Per Deuteronomy 16:8.

37818 said:

Then you unwittingly denied Mark 14:12-16 was 14th being the day before Christ was crucified

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Apparently, you don't know, or have forgotten, (because I thought you knew)
the way that the Jews considered their days to be from 6:00 pm to 6:00 pm,
24 hours later.

Mark 14:12-16 that you have put into thread titles a few times
and in dozens of posts, over and over and over again, was on the 14th
after 6:00 pm.

37818 said:

Mark 14:12-16 was 14th being the day before Christ was crucified being after Mark 14:17 on the 15th!

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Mark 14:12-16 is on Nisan 14, after 6:00 pm
and Mark 14:17 was a few hours later, around 8 or 9:00 pm,
"in the evening" of the 14th.

You really don't know that there is 12 hours of daylight the following day
that is still THE 14th? 6:00 am, Nisan 14 to 6:00 pm, Nisan 14?

The previous day began Nisan 14 at 6:00 pm and ran through the evening
and night, until the next morning at 6:00 am, however, of course,
that morning at 6:00 am to 6:00 pm that afternoon is still Nisan 14.

That is 12 hours in which Jesus could have been crucified on Nisan 14,
that was in the morning and day, after the previous days events,
being Mark 14:12-16, after 6:00 pm and Mark 14:17 that same evening,
both of which took place on Nisan 14, also, the day before.

JonC said:

Actually, those passages confirm that the first day of unleavened bread (the Passover) was the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15-21, with 15 and 21 being days of "holy convocation" ).

AND those passages confirm that tge crucifixion could not have occurred on 15 Nisan (because the 15th and 21st were days of holy convocation.... priests would be at the Temple dedicated to Scripture associated with the Exodus, no work could be done except for making meals).


Don't just cherry pick verses. Read the whole passage and you may understand why it was important to the Jews that Jesus be killed before the 15th of Nisan and why it could not have been o. 15 or 21 Nisan.

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Exodus 12:18.
Leviticus 23:5-8.
Numbers 28:16-25.
Numbers 28:22.
Deuteronomy 18:8.

Mark 14:12-16. 14th.
Wednesday

Mark 14:17. 15th.
Wednesday evening. Thursday day.

Mark 15:42. 16th.
Thursday evening.
Friday day.

Luke 24:21.
Third day since, being our Sunday.

Saturday would be the second day since.

Friday would be the first day since.

So Thursday would be that day. Luke 24:20.

John 12:1 6 days before the 14th is the 8th. And it was not a Sabbath day. John 12:2, . . . There they made him a supper; and Martha served: . . .

Nisan 14th a Wednesday.
Nisan the 8th a Thursday.
John 12:12, On the next day . . . The 9th our Friday.

You disagree?

37818 said:

Which Mark 14:12 refers, . . . the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . ..

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Yes. Mark tells us that Jesus sent two disciples ahead to the "upper room" on the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover.

We know almost the exact time (depending on the length of the day) this would have happened because of Jewish laws that were adhered to in the 1st Century.

If the morning after the Passover meal fell on a Friday then the pasdover was killed just after the sun moved from its apex (around 1pm) before the pasdover meal was eaten by the households. If not, it was about an hour later.

And the timeline in Mark works out perfectly for a 14 Nisan crucifixion.

Let's look at 30 AD.

Tuesday afternoon, around 1 pm, the animal was killed. Jesus sent two ahead and Jesus arrived with the Twelve around sundown for the meal. Afterwards He was arrested, and on Wed. around 3pm died on the cross.

Let's look at 33 AD. Thursday afternoon, around 1 pm, the animal was killed. Jesus sent two ahead and Jesus arrived with the Twelve around sundown for the meal. Afterwards He was arrested, and on Fri. around 3pm died on the cross.

Either way all of this (from the killing of the animal to Christ's body being laid in the tomb) would fall on 14 Nisan, thereby keeping the Law, the Jewish laws, and agreeing with Scripture that this was prior to the Feast of Unleavened Bread (which started 15 Nisan) by being completed by the end of 14 Nisan.

Alan Gross said:

Mark 14:12-16 is on Nisan 14, after 6:00 pm

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Tuesday evening.
Mark 14:17 would be Wednesday evening.
Mark 15:42 would be Thursday evening.

37818 said:

Exodus 12:18.
Leviticus 23:5-8.
Numbers 28:16-25.
Numbers 28:22.
Deuteronomy 18:8.

Mark 14:12-16. 14th.
Wednesday

Mark 14:17. 15th.
Wednesday evening. Thursday day.

Mark 15:42. 16th.
Thursday evening.
Friday day.

Luke 24:21.
Third day since, being our Sunday.

Saturday would be the second day since.

Friday would be the first day since.

So Thursday would be that day. Luke 24:20.

John 12:1 6 days before the 14th is the 8th. And it was not a Sabbath day. John 12:2, . . . There they made him a supper; and Martha served: . . .

Nisan 14th a Wednesday.
Nisan the 8th a Thursday.
John 12:12, On the next day . . . The 9th our Friday.

You disagree?

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Yes.

Mark 14:1–2 Now the Passover and Unleavened Bread were two days away; and the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to seize Him by stealth and kill Him; for they were saying, “Not during the festival, otherwise there might be a riot of the people.”

Passover 2 days away, Jews devised their plan. Why? Because they need to do it BEFORE the festival (15 to 21 Nisan).


Mark 14:12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?”

Thursday between 1pm and 2 pm per 1st Century Jewish law, this is "between the evenings" prior to sundown. This os considered Nisan 14.

We know the time and date because Mark points out that this was the first day of unleavened bread WHEN THE PASSOVER WAS SACRIFICED.

Scholars are divided over the year, which changes the day but NOT THE TIME AND DATE.

Mark 14:17–18 When it was evening He *came with the twelve. As they were reclining at the table and eating

This would be Thursday evening, "Second evening" or sundown. The Lamb was killed, sacrificed, ceremonially partaken of by the priests at the Temple, people had left the Temple and it was time for the Jews to observe the meal.

Jesus is arrested.

Friday - still Nisan 14.


Mark 15:1 Early in the morning the chief priests with the elders and scribes and the whole Council, immediately held a consultation; and binding Jesus, they led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate.

John 18:28 Then they *led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

Jesus delivered to Pilot. The priests don't enter (they do not want to be defiled....the next day being the 15th and holy convocation, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread).

Jesus is crucified and laid in a tomb (it is Preperation Day, the next day being a Sabbath and a high day (Nisan 15).




I can understand different timeliness. Personally, I believe that the Jewish law which was followed departs from God's instruction.

I guess given the number of lambs being killed, then the sacrifice, then the ceremony....and family observance.....I can see why the Jews set earlier times. It couldn't all occur at sunset (although....to be fair, the command in Exodus is literally "between the sunsets").

I can understand people thi king it was a day behind (Nisan 13). BUT I can't understand why anybody who has read the Bible thinking that the crucifixion happened on 15 Nisan. That just couldn't happen.

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day,
(for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate
that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

The Bible never speaks of only one Sabbath,
but of TWO Sabbaths, namely:
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,

and the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath (17th Nisan)
on both of which all rested.

JonC said:

1. The Biblical observation in John is "that Sabbath" was a "high day"

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Right.

JonC said:

15 Nisan itself is a "high day" ...is a day set aside as a day for holy convocation. But this is not called a "sabbath" in the Bible.

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I don't know why not.

JonC said:

3. There is only one "Sabbath" (day). It is the 7th day. The 15th of Nisan is not a "sabbath".

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15 Nisan is called a Sabbath, in John 19:31, up at the top of the post
and in Mark 16:1;

"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene,
and Mary the mother of James, and Salome,
had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint Him."

JonC said:

it is not possible that the crucifixion occurred on 15 Nisan because it was set aside as a holy convocation.

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15 Nisan is the Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31, up at the top,
and in Mark 16:1, above.

JonC said:

The Sabbath following Christ's burial was also a "high day".

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That would also be the Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31, up at the top,
and in Mark 16:1, above,
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Day Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath.

Since there are TWO Sabbaths,
then there cannot possibly be a double Sabbath.

Between the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,

and the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath (17th Nisan)
there had to be at least one intermediate working day
in between these Two Sabbaths,

because the women bought and prepared the sweet spices and ointments,
"after the Sabbath", which was the 1st Sabbath,
in the week Jesus was crucified,
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,

And here that is where;

The Women Bought Sweet Spices, for Anointing:

"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene,
and Mary the mother of James, and Salome,
had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint Him."
Mark 16:1.

The women could only buy
and prepare the ointments they needed after
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,

The day that they bought and prepared the ointments
was on the day between the two Sabbaths, Friday Nisan 16.

Then, after the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the 1st Sabbath that week,
which was the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
and was an Annual Sabbath,

The Women Rest on the 2nd Sabbath, in the week Jesus was crucified.

The women rested on the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath, Nisan 17.

Luke 23:56;

"Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes.
And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment."

So, then we see the women
rested on the following 2nd Sabbath, that week,
the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath, Friday 17th Nisan.

(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day;
The One Day between the Two Sabbaths),



DOUBLE VV
Between the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan)
and the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath (17th Nisan)
there had to be at least one working day in between,


the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan)
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,


"and then the women rested on the following 2nd Sabbath,
the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath (17th Nisan).

(see Chapter 4. The Intermediate Day;
The One Day between the Two Sabbaths),

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JonC said:

("preperation day" was the day work was completed in preparation for a Sabbath..

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JonC said:

"Preparation Day" in Jesus' time was used to describe Friday as normal work was not done on Saturday.

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"That is why the Double Sabbath
(when the Yearly Sabbath
and the Weekly Sabbath coincide on the same day)
was not mentioned at all.

"Biblically there was never any mention
of a Friday and the following Saturday.

"Theologians have made this up.

"John makes this difference clear several times
when he speaks of the "preparation day of Passover" (John 19:14),
but not only of the "preparation day of the Sabbath",

and also mentions a few verses further
on the subsequent "High Sabbath" (John 19:31)
and not the normal small Weekly Sabbath.

"If there had been a double Sabbath, John would have written it.

"But just the fact that he points out the difference makes it clear
that there could not have been a double Sabbath this year.

"This also fits perfectly with the other biblical passages.

"A double Sabbath would only produce contradictions.

On the 14th Nisan, the Preparation Day
before the Yearly High Sabbath (15th Nisan),
Jesus was buried:

JonC said:

Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is 3 days and 3 nights.

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Alan Gross said:

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day,
(for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate
that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

The Bible never speaks of only one Sabbath,
but of TWO Sabbaths, namely:
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath,

and the Resurrection Weekly Sabbath (17th Nisan)
on both of which all rested.



Right.



I don't know why not.



15 Nisan is called a Sabbath, in John 19:31, up at the top of the post
and in Mark 16:1;

"And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene,
and Mary the mother of James, and Salome,
had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint Him."



15 Nisan is the Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31, up at the top,
and in Mark 16:1, above.



That would also be the Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31, up at the top,
and in Mark 16:1, above,
the Passover Sabbath (15th Nisan),
the High Day Sabbath mentioned in John 19:31,
which was an Annual Sabbath.

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The reason it isn't is that John does not call 15 Nisan a sabbath. He notes that Sabbath was a high day (it fell on 15 Nisan).

The "Great Sabbath" is the Sabbath (Saturday) preceding the Passover.

This particular Saturday was 15 Nisan (a holy convocation on a Saturday).


Jews made up the laws (the times) for killing the Passover and for sacrificing the Passover (these are not the same). I agree. BUT this was the time when the Passover was killed.

To be fair to the Jews, what we translate "twilight" means "between the sunsets", and the killing, sacrifice, ceremony, and family meals couldn't happen at the same time.

If the families ate the Passover at sunset then the killing of the Passover had to happen (by necessity) several hours before sunset.

The families had to prepare their lamb or goat for the meal as well. Busy day.