Featured No Conflict In The KJV

So, Roby, tell us once again so everyone not familiar with you can see how crazy your belief is......where did Cain get his wife? Enlighten us all. Tell everyone how you believe God created an entire other human race, and that Cain's wife came from this other race of people. You've posted that belief in the past. That's as phony as a Ford Corvette, as someone likes to say. Explain how and why you don't believe Scripture when it clearly states that Eve was the mother of ALL LIVING.

And, no, I'm not KJVO. I use an ESV at the moment. I've also used an NIV and an NASB. I just call you out for criticizing KJVO only people for their belief, when YOURS is even crazier than theirs! That's pretty hypocritical.

 

History, precedent, and practice does not support that Jews were reluctant to execute someone on the Passover festival if they thought he needed to be killed. This was the same city and the same Jews that put Jesus Christ to death just a few years before during this festival.

As a matter of fact there is no indication from the text that Herod was honoring any request or desire of the Jews concerning the Passover. Here is what is said:


Acts 12:1-4
1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

The fact that he was incensed with the keepers of the prisoner and killed them without any urging from the Jews to do so suggests he was carrying out his own agenda.

 

Luke added a parenthetical statement (then were the days of unleavened bread) to give the reason for Herod to delay putting Peter to death. The city would have been full of those from several nations who had come to the festival and it was a prudent decision to wait until they had departed, for obvious reasons. We don’t know how long after Easter it was until Peter was sent for by Herod.

 

The immediate context of Acts 12:4 demonstrated that king Herod was aware that his earlier action of vexing certain of the church “pleased the Jews” (Acts 12:3). The context also revealed that Herod “proceeded further” to take another action that he thought would please the Jews.

Would Herod be continuing to please the Jews if he supposedly waited to observe a pagan holiday or festival? Would the celebrations and practices associated with a pagan festival please or offend the Jews? Does the context actually maintain that Herod in proceeding further to take Peter would then do something contradictory to this action intended to please the Jews?

It was actually Luke that used the Greek word pascha for the time for which Herod was waiting since this verse gives no indication that Herod was being directly quoted. The Bible verse or context does not directly say that Herod was keeping or observing pascha. “The people” of Acts 12:4 could be referring to or would be including the Jews mentioned in verse 3. In Acts 12:11, it refers to “the expectation of the people of the Jews.” Therefore according to the context, the Jews were clearly the people that Herod wanted to please again by his further action. Therefore, nothing in the verse and context proves that Herod could not have been waiting for the Jews to finish keeping their pascha so that he could bring Peter forth and please the Jews again. In other words, the context indicates that Herod did not want to risk displeasing the Jews by executing Peter during their Jewish pascha and may not indicate whether Herod personally had any scruples or principles against executing Peter during a festival. Herod also would have no reason to seek to displease the Jews and to honor and respect the church that he was vexing by waiting until after any claimed church celebration. Therefore, the clear evidence from the context clearly supports the understanding that the Jews would be the ones keeping the pascha [also called the feast of unleavened bread in Luke 22:1] instead of the assertion that Herod had to be the one keeping it. If Herod was also keeping it, the context indicates that it was the Jewish pascha that he would be keeping and not some pagan festival nor any Christian celebration.

Moved by the Holy Spirit, Luke could definitely have used the Greek word in the same sense as he did in Luke 22:1. Comparing Scripture with Scripture, the context of Acts 12:3-4 is in agreement with the understanding that this Greek word was used in the same sense as in Luke 22:1.

 

We are not told why Herod killed James but it must have had something to do with his testimony as a Christian Jew or his preaching. The language certainly makes it clear that Jews were not involved since Luke stated that Herod saw it pleased them after the fact of his killing James. Apparently he had the same grievance against Peter and so he arrested him sometimes later and it was by happenstance during the Jewish festival. Luke could have made mention of the event to explain why Peter was in Jerusalem. Barnabas and Paul were in Jerusalem for this festival and were not arrested. Those Jewish Christians at the prayer meeting were not arrested.

Everything seems to point to a personal grievance that caused Herod to want to kill Peter and not a concerted effort of him and the Jews. It is more than likely that Herod was observing a personal Holiday.

 

In the KJV there is a contradictory account of Jesus to Saul between Acts of the Apostles 9:5 and Acts of the Apostles 26:14-15 accounts.

 

Acts of the Apostles 9:5-6, And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts of the Apostles 26:14-15, And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

 

Where is it?

 

Who said what first?
Jesus? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Or Saul? Who art thou, Lord?
Acts 26:14-15, Acts 9:5-6

 

She was his HALF-sister.

 

God has always looked down on marrying one's full sibling, so YOU tell os where Cain got his wife. YOU brought this jive up in this thread, not I, so YOU explain it.

 

Simple, Cain married a sister or niece. God did not condemn marrying close relatives until much later because the gene pool had not been corrupted yet. Now, you explain why you don't believe Eve was the mother of all living as Scripture says. Could it be you don't want others to know because that will destroy your credibility? That's the only reason I brought this up. To show your hypocrisy in calling out people for their KJVOnlyism, when you're just as bad with your belief that God created another race of people apart from Adam and Eve. You get so upset when I call you out on this, I wonder why? I'll back off now before you bust a blood vessel or something!

 

It’s not a goof. The translators knew the English were familiar with Easter, Passover not so much.

 

Yes, it IS. Easter didn't exist when Luke wrote "Acts" and if it had, neither Herod nor the Jews would've observed it. There are several articles in this forum dealing with that issue.

 

For one thing, I'm tired of it. You're not gonna change mi belief, nor will I change yours. God has always condemned marriage between full siblings, & that's THAT !

 

Tyndale when he translated the New Testament used ester to translate πασχα. Was not until later when he came to translating the Hebrew הַפָּֽסַח, Tyndale invented our English word passeouer.

 

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I don't see it...

So, I say, THIS:

JUST CAME BEFORE THIS:

LIKE THIS:

Acts of the Apostles 26:14-15/ 9:5-6 Combination;

"And when we were all fallen to the earth,
I heard a voice speaking unto me,
and saying in the Hebrew tongue,"

"Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

"And I said, Who art thou, Lord?" =
(repeat: "And he said, Who art thou, Lord?")

"And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest" =
(repeat: "And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest".)

"but rise, and enter into the city,
and it shall be told thee what thou must do."