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KY your are just showing your foolish side again. Did you not see the five points @tyndale1946 had in his post. That is what I was responding to but I can understand why you ignore that as you continue to ignore any scripture that points out the error of your philosophy.

So you need to look in the mirror if you want to see the person that is being dishonest.

Take off the calvinist glasses and actually read what the bible says, you may learn something.

 

For the same reason shallow minded evangelicals such as you would, that take 'sozo' to mean eternal salvation in passages such as these (to cite a few):

16 Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee 1 Tim 4.

1 Brethren, my heart`s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. Ro 10

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

 

Your allusion to "soul winning" opened up to line for pointing out the error of your philosophy. The question is why are you as a calvinist/reformed/PB wasting your time on BB if you think that everyone that will be saved has been determined before creation. Do you think God needs you to aid Him in reaching your so called "elect"? But you could say that God has determined that we do this.

Now the reason that we actually do try to, in your words, "soul win" is because we are commanded to do so. We see this clearly stated in Rom 10:14 "How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?"

As for those that never hear the gospel message, it seems you do not actually trust God to save those that trust in Him. The bible tells us that we can know there is a God through creation and the conviction of the Holy Spirit but it seem you do not believe this.

I am surprised that you would disagree that many are saved having never heard the gospel since you think you were saved without having faith. Remember it is your philosophy that says man has nothing, not even faith, to do with ones salvation. You call faith a work and say man is not saved by works so logically your salvation does not require man to have faith in God prior to salvation.

Your philosophy says you were saved prior to creation so it could not be because you had faith as you do not even exist at the time. So to answer your question again, why are "soul winners" on BB? So that we can show you that have a misunderstanding of the means of salvation what the biblical truth is.

 

KY it is obvious that you do have a problem with understanding scripture. You do not seem to grasp the difference between being saved from drowning Act 27:31 and salvation from the penalty of your sins as we see in the verses you posted.

As long as you continue to read scripture through the lens of your calvinist/reformed/PB philosophy you will not grasp the truths contained in the bible.

 

It seems obvious that you do not even understand the DoG/TULIP that you claim to follow. You have surrendered yourself to an errant philosophy.

You say I misrepresent the calvinist/reformed/PB views but you have failed to show where I am supposed to have done this. You just do not like it when someone points those errors out to you.

By your logic Paul and the other apostles were just wasting their time but the bible says differently.
1Co 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
1Co 3:7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.
1Co 3:8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

When you actually start to trust what the bible says rather than what some man tells you the bible says then you just might come to realize that you are walking down the wrong path. But I doubt you can overcome your pride.

You continue to blow and bluster but as usual provide no support for your claims.

I do not write for those calvinist's/reformed/PB's that have closed their minds to the truth of scripture but rather for those that will read my posts pointing out your errors so that they will not fall for that errant philosophy.

What you can take solace in is that according to your LBCF God has determined that I should do just what I am doing. Which begs the question, since your version of God has determined all that happens then why are you upset with me pointing out your errors?

 

I know your post wasn't directed at me, even though I do believe the doctrines of grace. However, I feel I should say that I certainly don't believe that those doctrines mean that Paul and the other apostles were just wasting their time! Quite the opposite - because they believed that it was God, and not themselves, Who caused the growth of His church, that gave them every encouragement in the face of opposition from persecutors, to carry on preaching the glorious gospel, because its "success" was not ultimately dependant on them.

 

Once again a Calvinist offers the same trite disparagement to deflect and change the subject to my behavior and character, rather than the topic. They all seem to be unaware their posts represent fallacious argumentation, advertising the falisity of their bogus doctrine.

At the heart of the issue is not anyone claiming to speak for God, a false claim used to deflect, but whether or not lost people can be receptive to our witness, which of course Calvinism denies, i.e. the "T" of the TULIP.

Ask yourselves why all these efforts at deflection derived from deceit, rather than addressing the two very different views of the effectiveness of evangelism.

 

Only God can save an individual and man is just one of the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself. The question asked was why "soul win" and the bible answers that clearly as I pointed out. God offers salvation to all but will only save those that believe in Him. We see this clearly stated in Eph 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith;..."

God desires all to come to Him to be saved but He will not force anyone to come to Him. Man must freely respond in faith/trust to the drawing of God. We see this clearly in scripture Rom 10:9 " that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

Where I see the DoG/TULIP fail is that it has taken the free offer and made it into a command for only a select few contrary to the word of God.
Joh 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life". "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

So while God has provided the various means by which man can come to know Him He will not cause/force people to come to Him.

 

Folks, do you wonder why no quote is provided? Right, because I never said any such thing. This poster misrepresents others to hide the nullification of evangelism's usefulness in spreading the gospel. I

Here is actually what I said:

1 Corinthians 9:22 (NASB)
to the weak I became as weak, that I might gain [win] the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Does this verse indicate Paul, rather than God actually saves individuals? Nope The idea is through evangelism, humans aid in bringing people to an understanding of the gospel, acting as ambassadors of Christ. How might we "win" or persuade or contribute to the understanding of lost individuals? Do we talk people into Christ? Nope. God alone puts individuals whose faith He alone credits as righteousness into Christ. But we can till the ground, helping to prepare an individual to receive the gospel, and we can plant, presenting God's word concerning the gospel, and we can reinforce a lost person's consideration of the gospel by fellowship and example.

At the heart of the issue is not anyone claiming to save people, a false claim used to deflect, but whether or not lost people can be receptive to our witness, which of course Calvinism denies, i.e. the "T" of the TULIP.

The context of 1 Corinthians 9:22 indicates Paul's evangelism might contribute to the eternal salvation of some, by tilling the ground, planting and watering. Those who object do not believe evangelism actually contributes to the faith of those of the fields white for harvest. ​

 

He's interested only in entertaining his huge imaginary audience:

 

Yet another Calvinist post addressing supposed flaws in my character, rather than the topic. This seems to reflect the range of response possible due to Calvinism's false doctrines.

 

[QUOTE="canadyjd, post: 2888373, member: 5784"
"You say people are not getting into heaven because believers are not out “soul winning”.
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What I said:

Here is the heart-felt question of one believer -
...do 'slacking soul-winners' result in MORE people going to hell? ...

...do diligent soul-winners result in MORE people going to heaven?
The Exhaustive Determinist answer is no, God determined those going to heaven, and thus the rest not going to heaven before creation.

The Scriptural answer is yes, diligent evangelism "hastens the day" thus more people per time interval, so the end of the age occurs sooner, resulting in less people not going to heaven. ​

Note how the poster "edited" my statement to make my question appear to present my view. This is these Calvinists have, deliberate misrepresentation to derail discussion of effective evangelism.

 

Like a broken record, this poster falsely charges me with malfeasance, and ignores truth:

Here is what I said:
Here is the heart-felt question of one believer -
...do 'slacking soul-winners' result in MORE people going to hell? ...

...do diligent soul-winners result in MORE people going to heaven?
The Exhaustive Determinist answer is no, God determined those going to heaven, and thus the rest not going to heaven before creation.

The Scriptural answer is yes, diligent evangelism "hastens the day" thus more people per time interval, so the end of the age occurs sooner, resulting in less people not going to heaven. ​

 

More cockamamieness from Vanology.