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Featured The Son of God has always been the LORD God.

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  1. Darrell C

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    The way you said it implies, or at least gives the impression that you are making "the WORD" a force, and in this post it seems you deny the WORD as being a Person of the Trinity.

    It is just my opinion that His earthly body, that which God took up residence in, has a semblance to the forms he took upon Himself in the Old Testament (though not everlasting as it is with the Incarnation) and the form in which He reveals Himself in visions:

    Daniel 7:9
    I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Revelation 1:14
    His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;


    God is Spirit, but we remember that Adam was created in the image and likeness of God. Seth in the image and likeness of Adam.


    Sorry, but it does:


    John 14:15-23

    King James Version

    15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

    17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

    19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

    20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

    23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


    Christ taught that God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost would indwell believers (eternally).

    When God spoke to men in the Old Testament, it was not a force, but a Person. That is, God:

    Acts 7:51
    King James Version

    51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


    He was a Person long before the Incarnation.

    Who do you think walked in the Garden with Adam?

    Who do you think sat down to lunch with Abraham (Genesis 18)?

    How is Adam created in His image and likeness except He be a Person?

    The Term is defined:

    John 1:1-3
    King James Version

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


    Colossians 1:13-17
    King James Version

    13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


    It is the WORD that said "Let there be light," and it was the WORD that walked with Adam in the Garden.

    He is not a force, or something that is spoken, He is God.

    Lastly, because God is One, we do not place the Spirit and the Father on the sidelines while the Son creates. Scriptures efforts are to show that Jesus Christ is the Son, and that the Son is God. It does not intend to show three gods, all working independently of each other. The Son is seated at the right hand of God, but we have to remember that this is after the Incarnation, and that the Son remained in the flesh He created to inhabit.

    1 Corinthians 15:27-28
    King James Version

    27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

    28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


    Again, it is critical to remember that the Son took upon Himself the flesh of man, and returned to Heaven in that same flesh (howbeit glorified). In the Eternal State, He is no less God than He was before the Incarnation, yet still in that flesh. There is a subordinance implied, and we look to that flesh as the reason. But as Christ taught ...

    John 14

    20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    We remember this also: the indwelling of God in us. Is God any less God because He indwells us? No. Is He any less God because He indwells flesh? No.

    Anyway, it seems you are making the WORD a force. This is not a Baptist teaching. A rejection of the WORD as a Person isn't either.


    God bless.
     
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