Featured Matthew 15:24 Rewrite?

Jesus Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost. Gentiles were never the possessions of God and so they cannot be lost.Jesus was not seeking the woman in Mt 15. It was a chance meeting as far as a meeting can be a chance with God. The woman came to him, he did not go to her. He did not address her as a sheep but he did categorize her as a dog. The gentiles will be an object of his concern at some point in his post resurrection ministry and he clearly says that in this passage when he deals with other gentiles.

John 12:20 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:

21 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

The fruit of his death, burial, and resurrection will be the gentiles since the Jews failed to believe as the scriptures say to those who have eyes to see and do not attempt to re-write the scriptures to suit themselves.

Check it out. Paul the apostle to the gentiles wrote 13 letters and never one time said we were lost. Gentiles are not lost, they are alienated from God by sin. The death and resurrection achieve reconciliation on both sides of the issue because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man.

Believe the words.

 

See Matthew 12:24 (ESV, [/QUOTE]
Oh boy!
Matthew 12:24, ESV. '"It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons that this man casts out demons."'
Matthew 12:24, NASB. '" This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons."'
Matthew 12;24. NKJV. '"This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons."'
Now surely even you can see that these translations are all saying the same thing? What has happened is that the ESV, NASB and others have tried to make the sentence more 'reader-friendly' by a little bit of paraphrasing. They have got rid of one negative (ou) which is there in the Greek text; look it up! And they have then got rid of the correct word, 'except' and substituted 'only.' As I say, the meaning is more or less the same, but the ESV, NASB, NIV, Uncle Tom Cobley and all are not strictly faithful to the Greek.

See above.

Again, see above. The only difference here is that the NKJV joins in and paraphrases the text. The literal Greek translation is found in the KJV. He that is washed needeth not save [or 'except'] to wash his feet but is clean every whit.'

This text is more complicated. Look it up in a Greek Grammar Ei me here is probably best translated 'nevertheless.'

See above. It's not a wrong translation, but it is not strictly literal.

Matthew 15:24 does not mention 'all Israel.' It speaks of 'The lost sheep of the house of Israel.' Do not charge me with saying what I did not say.

 

As I have taken pains to explain to you, this is the exact opposite of what Matthew 15:24 says. I am sure you don't try to deceive people deliberately, but before God I tell you that if anyone believes your posts, they are being deceived.

 

Amen!
[QUOTE$]Gentiles were never the possessions of God and so they cannot be lost.
Psalms 24:1. Genesis 3:15 refers as much to the Gentiles as the Jews. The very first promise to Abraham includes 'all the families of the earth' Genesis 12:3) According to Isaiah 32:4-6, the Messiah is to 'establish justice in the earth' and to be 'a covenant to the people and a light to the Gentiles (cf. also Isaiah 49:6) Matthew 12:21 is referencing Isaiah 42:4). Interestingly, the very first miracle that Matthew mentions in any detail is the healing of the Centurion's son (Matthew 8)..

On the contrary, the Lord Jesus went out of Israel and into Phoenicia and did nothing else while He was there but heal this woman's daughter (Matthew 15:21-29). He came to find her. It was her God-given faith that led her to come to our Lord. He tested her faith, and she persisted in it, She called Him 'Lord' and 'Son of David,' Where did she learn that but from the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 13:3)? She was 'of faith' and therefore a true child of Abraham (Galatians 3:7; cf. also Philippians 3:3)

 

You are totally confused about the purpose of including this incident in the gospel of Matthew and the spiritual and prophetic and typical content at this particular time of the ministry of Jesus is totally lost on all the Reformed, and because of their likeness to the Pharisees in this context of Mt 16, there is no hope that you will ever see the truths that God wants to give us in his marvelous word. There are foundational doctrines that sound doctrine must be built upon and you missed the main stone in Ge 11 & 12 , the Abrahamic Covenant. All things that God is doing in the world today is to bring the promises he gave there to fruition. This gentile woman is a teaching truth of the progression of the outworking of God to bring his will to pass and to keep those promises

There would be no need to explain these truths to the Reformed unless they were willing to unload the false doctrines they have received and start anew.

 

One of us is totally confused, but I think you'll find it's you. You are right about the foundational nature on Genesis 11-12, and that foundation is that God will bring blessing to all nations through the Seed of Abraham to those who will have the faith of Abraham. The Caananite woman is indeed also a teaching truth of the outworking of God's covenant. Where you are with the rest of it is, indeed, totally confused.

 

Hi. I'm new here. This is one of the scriptures that reminds me of God's sovereign grace in salvation.

Acts 13:48
Legacy Standard Bible

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

 

Welcome to Baptist Board, Katie.

 

Exactly which translation used #3?

From what you posted, YOUR translation is the only one to use #3.

Again, the hubris to put forth a change in the understanding of a scripture passage that has stood for thousands of years… with no formal training in biblical Greek, with only a minimum understand of how to use a Greek lexicon is breathtaking.

peace to you

 

I am sorry Katie but if you were to attempt to define sovereign grace you would need to go to one of the Reformers to get it because dead sure you would not be able to quote Mathew Mark, Luke, John Paul Peter James or Jude defining it for you. Why? BECAUSE the scriptures knows of no such doctrine and these men wrote the New Testament scriptures. You can't just go around making stuff up.

Ac 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you (Israelites): but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

This was in about AD 42 at the earliest. This is the first official recorded sermon of Paul as apostle, who had just received his apostolic commission in the first verses of this chapter. God's intention for recording this eventuality of Jewish unbelief in the gospel of Jesus Christ is much more to instruct us of how God's own people, Israel, was responsible for rejecting his promises to them and how the gentiles were anxious to receive them. Anyone who believes is ordained to eternal life, Jew or gentile. Think!

 

However, the verse that Katie quoted is certainly not the only one which teaches that sinners who are saved are saved as a result of God's grace. Another passage is found in Ephesians 2:

“1 ¶ And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. 4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

Three times in that passage God's grace is mentioned. The word "sovereign" is not mentioned, but the way God's grace is described shows that it is indeed sovereign over the sinner's deadness in trespasses and sins, and the working of the prince of the power of the air.

 

Like @canadyjd, I am very interested to discover all the translations which contain Interpretation 3.
Can it really be that you are setting forth your own misunderstanding of basic Koine Greek alongside reputable translations like the KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB etc.?
Interpretation 3 is the exact opposite of all reputable translations. When you say, "The third view best fits the context," what you mean is "the third view is totally my own, and I have put it forward because it best fits want I want the text to say, even though it makes a complete dog's breakfast of the Greek."

This is the very essence of false teaching. Will you not take telling? Will you show yourself to be totally unteachable? Or will you actually ask someone who knows some Greek to explain it to you. There are folk on this board better qualified in Greek than I am who will explain things to you.

 

Unbelievable! Now we have @Van saying that the Lord Jesus did not express Himself in the way that Van wants Him so so Van will take it upon himself to improve His words at the expense of the Greek language.