My Outline of Endtime Events for 2006 Study

I told one "Christian lady":

"The Rapture could happen at any moment".

She responded,

"Lord I hope not, what will I do with all my stuff"???

Even among Christians, most don't like the idea that "judgment" is near and this life will be finished, so prophecy about the "end times" is "ignored" by most, I suppose hoping it will "go away".

"No one knows when the end of time is coming",

is a statement most often made by the "HOPE" in the person that you are wrong when you say the "end is near" rather than their "biblical knowledge".

"Very few" would rather be "Absent from the body and present with the lord".

That, in it's self, is a "sign", the "end is near". (falling away)

 

Good discussion here.

I had a former pastor teach a year-long series on Revelation. One of his deacons asked, "Pastor, what if Jesus comes back this year? What will happen to the study?"

My pastor replied, "Then you finish teaching it."

 

Mel,

Thanks, but actually my post was just a funny thing that happened in church one Sunday. Nothing more.

I do believe that since the End of the Age is beyond our control, it is therefore none of our business. We are to be wise, and be faithful. The end of the world might be near or far; the end of MY world could come at any moment.

I'm not saying that end times discussions aren't fascinating, and that striving to know more isn't a good thing...but when the preoccupation with the signs of the end overshadow the mandate given by Jesus, then we miss the point.

Peace,

RB

 

Matt 24 is written to Israel, not the church, the "end of the world" is when Jesus "physically" returns, seven year prior is the rapture, he doesn't "return" to the earth then, we meet him "in the air" and return to heaven for the duration of the trib.

Read the above post, the church isn't here during the trib.

The "Beast" is given 1260 days, (42 months) these begin on the day of the "Abomination of Desolation".

 

Matt 22, the "KING" invited the "JEWS" to the "Lamb's marriage supper", but they refuse to "COME", therefore they are "left behind" when the "Bridegroom" comes for his "BRIDE". (rapture)

I think you have the link to where I posted my material, if not, I'll repost it again, but you'll find more reasons there for a "pre trib rapture" than you can/have "imagined".


Don't forget the "TRINITY" when "interpreting scripture".

 

The Parable of the King making a wedding for his son, is about Jesus and the Jews rejecting him and the Gospel being taken to "another people" to make Israel, Jealous.

The Jews enter the trib as part of their Chastisement for rejecting Jesus, they are not part of the "BRIDE" (Church) he weds during the trib, the marriage "Celebration" for the Jews come in the "THIRD DAY' in "Cana".

Only the Church (Bride) leaves in the rapture, as I said above, those saved during the trib will join the "wedding celebration" in the "Third day" in Cana". (MK)

In the rapture, only "Believers" (Church) will leave, there are other "left behind" who will be saved during the trib.

In the rapture, Jesus comes himself, he doesn't send "Angels", they reap when Jesus "physically returns" to the earth.

The "rapture" occurs "pre trib", Jesus reaps.
The "First resurrection" occur "Post trib", Angels reap.

The "Rapture" and "First Resurrection" "MARK" the "Beginning" and "End" of the trib period.

 

Go to the link posted below and scroll down to the "tribulaton Period", it explains why Israel enters the trib and the church doesn't.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3398.html

Jeus suffer the "Stripes" of our chastisement in "HIS FLESH", However Israel rejected Jesus, therefore they will suffer "STRIPES" in their flesh, (be killed) from the "ROD" (AC) God uses to "Chastise them".

Did you ever get a whipping with a "Switch/Belt" when growing up, it leaves "Stripes" in your flesh, God uses the AC as a "ROD" to beat Israel for rejecting Jesus.

 

Mel Miller: // I held to a Pre-
Trib Rapture tenaciously over 60 years ago, and like
you, didn't have the Scriptures to prove that Jesus
will NOT come to Rapture the Elect from earth to heaven on the last day ... the
only Day He is revealed from heaven .... the
only Day He will come for and with His Bride.//

The following is NOT a judgement, only a suggestion.
Only the individual can judge such things for themselves.

In the great pretribulation rapture passage of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
the Bible says:

2 Thessalonians 2:15 (KJV1611 Edition):
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which yee
haue beene taught, whether by word or our Epistle.

Not standing fast to that which your fore-saints taught you is
apostasy (abandoning the truth).
Why did your fore-saints hope in the pre-tribulation rapture?

 

Follow the link, tooo much to "retype", beside I'm "lazy".

 

Mel Miller: //He taught that He will "raise up every/all those
who believe on the last day". John 6:38-40,44,54.//

God taught through the Disciple John:

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV1611 Edition):
And I saw thrones, and they sate vpon them, and iudgement was giuen vnto them: & I saw the soules of them that were beheaded for the witnesse of Iesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had receiued his marke vpon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they liued and reigned with Christ a thousand yeeres.
But the rest of the dead liued not againe vntill the thousand yeeres were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed & holy is he that hath part in ye first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be Priests of God, and of Christ, and shall reigne with him a thousand yeeres.

The just are raised on that 'day' of 1,000 years at
the beginning of the day; the unjust are raised on that
'day' of 1,000 years at the end of the day.

God taught through the Prophet Daniel:

Dan 12:1 (KJV1611 Edition):
And at that time shall Michael stand vp, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people, and there shalbe a time of trouble, such as neuer was since there was a nation, euen to that same time: and at that time thy people shalbe deliuered, euery one that shalbe found written in the booke.
2 And many of them that sleepe in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to euerlasting life, and some to shame and euerlasting contempt.

Yep, right after the Tribulation (time of trouble) then
ALL AT ONCE the just and the unjust shall be raised for
God's proper disposition.

Sorry, but what you say the Bible says has to stand with
other things the Bible says. I see way to many a-mill,
posties sacrificing Revelation 20 on the alter of 2 Peter 3:10.

I believe that ALL THE SCRIPTURE teaches that
God will raise the just on THE LAST DAY. But I believe that
day is the 70th week of Daniel (a 7-year-long day): the
rapture (raising of the living and the dead to take to heaven)
is at the start of the 7-year-day; the resurrection (raising
of the dead to live again on earth) at the end of the 7-year-day
when Jesus comes back for the final victory of the Antichrist
and his evil works and to set up a PHYSICAL kingdom.

But hey, i'm just trying to figure out how ALL the scriptures
contribute to the same understaining of eschatology.

 

Mel Miller: //Are you asking me to place the "traditions which
yee haue beene taught" above the word of the
Lord"? Am I supposed to go to some other site,
instead of the Scriptures, to find the truth?//

I am doing nothing but holding up a mirror in front of you.
If you see UGLY it is between you and God.

Mel Miller: //He taught that He will "gather the elect from earth
to heaven on one of the days immediately
after the great tribulation and will send the
angels to gather them out of the heavens".
Mark 13:24-27; Matt.24:31.//

I show on BB an average of once a month that you are
misunderstanding these passage. Here is the one
about Matthew 24:

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In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. 'Polysyndeton' is a retorical device that uses
(in English) repeated connectors (usually 'and')
instead of an outline. This is most noticable
in the Bible in Genesis 1 and Matthew 24.
I believe the major outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.
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Ah yes, the ol' polysyndeton 'and'.
Strange how different usages of 'and' make for
different exchatologies