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    Ephesians 2:2-3, Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
     
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    They were redeemed before they became believers
     
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    Then per 1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    This is why those yet being little children are safe. Mark 10:14, . . . But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
     
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    I dont know what in the world you talking about
     
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    One has to keep trying with him, and maybe, finally, you'll get his point.
     
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    Yes Rom 3

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    Why the gospel has to be preached.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Without hearing the gospel Romans 3:11, There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    So, thats Gospel
     
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    LOL, the verse does not say there is none who ever understands they are sinners and need God. All the verse says is everyone lacks full understanding, we see through a glass darkly, and we all do not seek God all the time or when we are sinning for all of us have turned aside from the path of righteousness at some point.

    To rip a verse out of context, and then claim some out of context meaning, is simply an exercise in eisegesis.

    Is it wrong to believe fallen people can seek God and trust in Christ?

    John 6:28-29 NET
    So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

    Some claim God requires the lost to do what the lost are unable to do. But mainstream Christians believe that everyone believing into Him will not perish and have everlasting life. Jesus said, your faith has saved you. Not "the faith God instilled via irresistible grace has saved you.

    Scripture says the lost are saved "through" or on the basis of faith. Scripture says God credits the faith of those that believe God raised Jesus from the dead, based on His discernment.

    Some have God crediting the faith He instilled. Nonsense.
     
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    Speaking of man fallen in adam,

    Rom 3
    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    LOL, the verse does not say there is none who ever understands they are sinners and need God. All the verse says is everyone lacks full understanding, we see through a glass darkly, and we all do not seek God all the time or when we are sinning for all of us have turned aside from the path of righteousness at some point.

    To rip a verse out of context, and then claim some out of context meaning, is simply an exercise in eisegesis.

    Is it wrong to believe fallen people can seek God and trust in Christ?

    John 6:28-29 NET
    So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

    Some claim God requires the lost to do what the lost are unable to do. But mainstream Christians believe that everyone believing into Him will not perish and have everlasting life. Jesus said, your faith has saved you. Not "the faith God instilled via irresistible grace has saved you.

    Scripture says the lost are saved "through" or on the basis of faith. Scripture says God credits the faith of those that believe God raised Jesus from the dead, based on His discernment.

    Some have God crediting the faith He instilled. Nonsense.
     
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    Speaking of man fallen in adam,

    Rom 3

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    LOL, the verse does not say there is none who ever understands they are sinners and need God. All the verse says is everyone lacks full understanding, we see through a glass darkly, and we all do not seek God all the time or when we are sinning for all of us have turned aside from the path of righteousness at some point.

    To rip a verse out of context, and then claim some out of context meaning, is simply an exercise in eisegesis.

    Is it wrong to believe fallen people can seek God and trust in Christ?

    John 6:28-29 NET
    So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

    Some claim God requires the lost to do what the lost are unable to do. But mainstream Christians believe that everyone believing into Him will not perish and have everlasting life. Jesus said, your faith has saved you. Not "the faith God instilled via irresistible grace has saved you.

    Scripture says the lost are saved "through" or on the basis of faith. Scripture says God credits the faith of those that believe God raised Jesus from the dead, based on His discernment.

    Some have God crediting the faith He instilled. Nonsense.
     
    #95 Van, Oct 13, 2024
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    Speaking of man fallen in adam,

    Rom 3

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Ps 14:1-3

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

    3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    Ps 53:1-3

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

    2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

    3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    This is man by nature sir, dead to God
     
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    Apart from saving grace in regeneration, man naturally is evil only continually, his heart, his will Gen 6:5

    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    The word heart here lēḇ means:

    inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

    1. inner part, midst
      1. midst (of things)

      2. heart (of man)

      3. soul, heart (of man)

      4. mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory

      5. inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
    So thats why naturally man doesnt seek or understand the True God Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    LOL, the verse does not say there is none who ever understands they are sinners and need God. All the verse says is everyone lacks full understanding, we see through a glass darkly, and we all do not seek God all the time or when we are sinning for all of us have turned aside from the path of righteousness at some point.

    To rip a verse out of context, and then claim some out of context meaning, is simply an exercise in eisegesis.

    Is it wrong to believe fallen people can seek God and trust in Christ?

    John 6:28-29 NET
    So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

    Some claim God requires the lost to do what the lost are unable to do. But mainstream Christians believe that everyone believing into Him will not perish and have everlasting life. Jesus said, your faith has saved you. Not "the faith God instilled via irresistible grace has saved you.

    Scripture says the lost are saved "through" or on the basis of faith. Scripture says God credits the faith of those that believe God raised Jesus from the dead, based on His discernment.

    Some have God crediting the faith He instilled. Nonsense.
     
    #98 Van, Oct 15, 2024
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    Apart from saving grace in regeneration, man naturally is evil only continually, his heart, his will Gen 6:5

    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    The word heart here lēḇ means:

    inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

    1. inner part, midst
      1. midst (of things)

      2. heart (of man)

      3. soul, heart (of man)

      4. mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory

      5. inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
    So thats why naturally man doesnt seek or understand the True God Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
    #99 Brightfame52, Oct 15, 2024
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    LOL, endless efforts to rip scripture from its context.

    Genesis 6:5-8
    Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of [fn]their hearts was only evil continually. So the LORD was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved [fn]in His heart. Then the LORD said, “I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the land; mankind, and animals as well, and crawling things, and the birds of the sky. For I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. ​

    Question for those able to objectively study scripture - How did Noah find favor in the eyes of the Lord if all people, all the time, constantly seek evil? Answer, the premise of the quoted post, is obviously false.
     
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