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Jude 1:4. The Critical Text Conspiracy?

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    Jude 1:4, For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Critical Text theory is about why allegedly "God" was added to "the only Lord." The word being translated "Lord" meaning Master or Owner, some think can only mean God the Father.

    The Modern Literal Version translation has,

    For* some men sneaked in among you°, the ones who have been written about, from long-ago*for this condemnation of the ungodly, the ones transferring the grace of our God into unbridled-lust and denying [our] only Master, God [the Father], and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Text-Critical English New Testament and Byzantine Text Version has,

    For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have crept in unnoticed. They are ungodly men who pervert the grace of our God, turning it into a license for sensuality. By doing so, they deny God, who is our only Master, and also the Lord Jesus Christ.

    But the 1962 Modern King James Version has,

    For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.

    At issue, is Jesus being called "the Lord God"?
     
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    "The term δεσπότης (“Master”) was widely used of God in Judaism (LXX, Philo, Josephus), and the phrase ὁ μόνος δεσπότης is found (Josephus, BJ 7:323, 410; Ant. 18:23: in all three cases God as the one δεσπότης is contrasted, not with other gods, but with Roman rule). Early Christianity took over this usage, especially in prayer and liturgical formulae, and used δεσπότης almost always of God the Father (Luke 2:29; Acts 4:14; Rev 6:10; 1 Clem 7:5; 8:2; 9:4; 11:1; 20:8, 11; 24:1, 5; 33:1, 2; 36:2, 4; 40:1; 48:1; 52:1; 56:16; 59:4; 61:1–2; Did. 10:3; Barn. 1:7; 4:3; Herm. Vis. 2:2:4–5; Sim. 1:9; Diogn. 8:7; Justin, 1 Apol. 61:3). This evidence might seem decisive, and it is not surprising that several manuscripts and the Syriac version clarify the text by inserting θεόν (“God”) after δεσπότην. There are, however, three pieces of evidence which point in the other direction: ..."
    Richard J. Bauckham, 2 Peter, Jude, vol. 50, Word Biblical Commentary (Dallas: Word, Incorporated, 1983), 39.

    Read more on Google Books: WBC, Jude 4 comments [LINK]
     
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    Jude 1:4 The Text-Critical English New Testament.

    For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have crept in unnoticed. They are ungodly men who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny (b) God, who is our only Master, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    (b) God, who is our only Master, and the Lord 78.7% // our only Master and Lord, ANT CT 12.9%
     
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    Dr Pickering's Jude 1:4 translation note.

    'About 13% of the Greek manuscripts omit “God” (as in NIV, NASB, LB, TEV, etc.).'

    Because certain men, who were marked out for this condemnation long ago, have sneaked in; they are godless, perverting the grace of our God into licentiousness and denying the only Sovereign God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    In that translation the Lord Jesus Christ, is not 'the onlv Master, God.'

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    The ungodly men deny God and the Lord Jesus Christ both.
     
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    That was never at issue.

    NASB, Jude 1:4, For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand [fn]marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
     
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    . . . τον μονον δεσποτην και κυριον ημων ιησουν χριστον αρνουμενοι

    Versus

    . . . τον μονον δεσποτην θεον και κυριον ημων ιησουν χριστον αρνουμενοι
     
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