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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Oct 21, 2024.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    GRACE ALONE

    Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Grace, by definition must be alone. Once you have added anything to it, it is no longer grace, but wholly of works. This religious generation shouts, "grace, grace, grace" while declaring that God has done His part, Jesus has done His part, and now you must do your part. The grace that "saves" in modern religion is never alone, but is an unholy amalgamation of what Christ did and what you must do with what He did.

    This is by necessity, for if you are to have a god that sent Jesus to die for every individual who ever lived, then something beyond what He did must make the difference between life and death. This jesus, who desperately wants everyone to be saved, but can't do anything until they allow him to do so, is the centerpiece to this twisted theology. It is a clear case of worshipping and serving the creature more than the Creator, all the while declaring, "Ain't God good?"

    This religious world is blind, naked and yet in their sins and enthusiastically confessing their partnership with this beggar jesus evidences that. A god that must have your permission to save is no God at all, but an unholy idol of men's imaginations. From the pulpit to the pew, there is not a soul who can tell you what Christ actually accomplished through His obedience unto death.

    Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    When the Lord reveals His glorious, finished work to a sinner, they are at once conscious of the utter futility of their former religious efforts. They see clearly that the pride they had in all of their teaching, preaching, singing, praying, giving, missionary endeavors and a thousand other things were just fruit unto death and dung. Through God-given faith they see that Christ is the totality of their righteousness, sanctification and salvation, for He alone is the Lord our life.

    Christ satisfied the inflexible law and strict justice of God the Father perfectly and eternally through His obedience unto death. This eternal satisfaction was accomplished as a representative Surety of every soul in whose stead He stood. They are charged with the totality of His righteousness, as He was charged with the totality of their sin. Goats don't become sheep and His sheep don't become goats, for His sheep were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.

    The revelation of who Christ is and what He actually accomplished through His obedience unto death is nothing less than God-given faith whereby we know Him. It is glorious good news to those who thought themselves to be something when they were not. They would dare not seek to add to His glorious finished work by seeking merit in their own works.

    By grace alone through faith alone, His sheep will ever and always look to the Lord our Righteousness. Only when Christ stands preeminently alone in His glorious finished work can you truly say that salvation is by grace and grace alone.

    2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    - written by Kenny Dyess via his Facebook page
     
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    Craigbythesea Well-Known Member

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    Kenny Dyess needs to read the Bible! In the Epistle to the Romans and in all of his epistles where he uses the word “works,” Paul is referring exclusively to the works of the law. Otherwise, he would be expressly contradicting the Lord Jesus,

    Mat 19:16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
    Mat 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
    Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
    Mat 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
    Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?”
    Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
    Mat 19:22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. (ESV) Compare Mark 10:17ff and Luke 18:18ff.

    He would also be expressly contradicting the brother James of the Lord Jesus,
    Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
    Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
    Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
    Jas 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
    Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
    Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
    Jas 2:20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
    Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
    Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
    Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
    Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (ESV)
     
  3. KenH

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    Nope.

    A recent sermon by Bill Parker, pastor of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia, on James 2:18.

    James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

    Faith and Good Works
     
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    I have here in my study 28 commentaries on the Epistle of James authored by New Testament scholars representing a wide spectrum of theological thought. Unfortunately, Bill Parker has apparently never read any of them or had enough interest in the Bible to study it.
     
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    It’s simple. If you are saved, good works will follow. Ephesians 2:10.
     
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    Hmm, I think it's the opposite. Good works often precede faith.

    11 And into whatsoever city or village ye shall enter, search out who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go forth. Mt 10

    34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10

    21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. Jn3

    Because.......regeneration precedes faith.
     
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    Craigbythesea Well-Known Member

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    The more of the Bible we ignore, the simpler it gets. However, I choose not to ignore The Epistle of James, The Epistle to the Romans, the synoptic gospels, and the Book of Acts where the Bible explicitly teaches that works must precede salvation.
     
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    Good works come after regeneration. And God's elect cannot claim credit for them, as it is God who ordained the works, and He is the One working through His elect.

    Referring to God's elect, the apostle Paul wrote: Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Again, referring to God's elect, the apostle Paul wrote: Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
     
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    All of this is absolutely irrelevant to this thread because no one is denying that good works do follow salvation. The issue is that many people choose to believe a 16th century French politician named Jean (John) Calvin instead of The Epistle of James, The Epistle to the Romans, the synoptic gospels, and the Book of Acts where the Bible explicitly teaches that works must precede salvation. For example,

    Acts 16:25. About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them.
    26. Suddenly there was an earthquake, so violent that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone's chains were unfastened.
    27. When the jailer woke up and saw the prison doors wide open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, since he supposed that the prisoners had escaped.
    28. But Paul shouted in a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.”
    29. The jailer {Gk [He]} called for lights, and rushing in, he fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.
    30. Then he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

    The jailor asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved, and they replied,

    Acts 16:31 οἱ δὲ εἶπαν· πίστευσον ἐπὶ τὸν κύριον Ἰησοῦν καὶ σωθήσῃ σὺ καὶ ὁ οἶκός σου. (NA28)

    Acts 16:31. They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (NRSV)

    Notice that the verb πίστευσον is in the imperative mood—the Greek mood used for commands. Paul and Silas commanded the jailer to “Believe on the Lord Jesus” in order to be saved. The jailer chose to obey the command, and was saved. Jesus met some of the needs for the jailer’s salvation—and the jailer chose to meet the remaining need.

    This is the word of God and no amount of Calvinism will ever change it!
     
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    Nope. The Bible explicitly teaches that regeneration is a work of the Holy Spirit in connection with the preaching of the gospel of Christ.

    Acts of the Apostles 16:14 Whose heart the Lord opened.

    Acts of the Apostles 13:48 As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    Acts of the Apostles 11:18 Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


    Now can reprobates or the unregenerated elect do what in the eyes of man are "good works"? Yes. But they are not the works that the apostle Paul describes in Ephesians 2:10 and Philippians 2:13, which are those which God works through His elect after He has regenerated them.
     
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    Actually, works are subsequent to salvation. "Without Me, ye can do nothing." "The flesh profits nothing." "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."

    It is the works we do AFTER salvation that God credits to our Heavenly account. Faith without works, is indeed dead. Likewise, works without faith is equally dead.
     
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    Where exactly does the Bible explicitly teach that preaching brings about the birth of the Spirit? The Spirit blows where He wills, no preacher required for the birth from above.
     
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    Romans 10:10-15 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
     
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    The birth from above must occur before one can enter into this, or even see it, or even have ears to hear the preaching. 'Preaching' has zilch to do with the birth of the Spirit.

    13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1
     
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    We totally disagree about that.
     
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    Of Course! Every true believer knows this to be an incontrovertible fact! However, this fact has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Paul and Silas commanded the jailer to “Believe on the Lord Jesus” in order to be saved. This command was a direct answer to the question asked by the jailor in the immediately preceding verse in which the jailor asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved. Paul and Silas did not answer the question by replying, “Don’t sweat it! It has all been taken care of from the foundation of the world.” Instead, they told the jailor the truth, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (NRSV). Their salvation was to be in future time and dependent upon the jailor obeying the command given to him by Paul and Silas.

    It appears to me from your posts that you have never read through the Bible but that you have only read miscellaneous verses here and there—making a nuisance of yourself!
     
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    I have read the Bible all the way through - more than once. The first time was my first year at a Christian college(where we took at least one Bible class each semester) when, as a first year student, we spent one semester reading and studying the Old Testament and one semester reading and studying the New Testament.
     
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    I would not have told the jailor that either. All of God's elect will come under the hearing of the gospel of Christ and be given spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear during their life, as the Lord opens their heart and gives them understanding of the gospel of Christ, the Holy Spirit will regenerate them and give them spiritual life, and they will be given the gift of faith in Christ and the gift of repentance of dead works.

    God uses means. Anyone who says that He doesn't, is just plumb wrong.
     
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    Fatalism.

    “Make your calling and election sure.”

    Per the rules of English grammar, the sentence has an understood “You” at the beginning, because it is speaking to the reader.
     
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