Featured Essential Doctrine from the Bible

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?
Revelation 18:21-> And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great...Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. By the way, soon will be elected the NEXT and LAST Pope.

The gigantic ship of the Devil identified as RCC, whose captain calls stumblingblock, sailing within the blackness of darkness has been adrift throughout its existence, and is now sinking into the abyss with its all crew and trevelers, all followers of the Roman Catholic Church, without salvation and lost for ever and ever.

And the owner of the ship, the red Dragon-Revelation 12:9-, is laid hold on and bound a thousand years, and he will be cast into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more.

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Alas, alas that Church, the great prostitute, clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls, and the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication with her, and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, for her plagues come in one Day(in this seventh and last Day or seventh and last Millennium), death, and mourning, and famine; for strong is the Lord God who Judgeth her.

And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, cry an weep when they see her be thrown down, and be found no more at all.

Rejoice over her, thou heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8), and ye holy apostles and prophets; for GOD avenges you on her. 2Thessalonians 1:7-9:-> 7 And to you (the believers) who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels(Michael is one of them), 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD(heard ot speak of GOD, but never knew Him), and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ(they replaced the pure gospel of our Lord by their idolatries and witcheries). 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power. JESUS emphatically declared, saying: Matthew 28:18-> ... All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

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It's not that I'm concerned about hearing other beliefs. It's just argument stays at such a basic level and just goes back and forth with greater and greater animosity. Once everyone has stated their positions, if no one is able to bring anything else in there is no reason to keep going back and forth. If you start with a presupposition that what Rome says is equivalent in authority with scripture then you will not be able to really discuss these issues with someone with the opposite presupposition.

Even in this thread you start out with blaming Protestant confusion with disagreement over the Trinity when you know that the first church council was about - disagreement over the Trinity, long before the Reformation.

 

Spot on! And very boring.

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Since all you Catholics get your directions from the same manmade catechism, it sounds like a perfect recipe for an echo chamber to me.

 

Right. When @Cathode shows his contempt for us 'Bible alone' folk (of which I am one), what profit is there for further discussion?

Foundational to Protestantism:
"The Bible is a plain book. It is intelligible by the people. And they have the right, and are bound to read and interpret it for themselves; so that their faith may rest on the testimony of the Scriptures, and not on that of the Church. Such is the doctrine of Protestants on this subject....."
Perspicuity of the Scriptures. The Right of Private Judgment
by Charles Hodge

 

...would have zero effect on me. You?

 

An essential doctrine presumes it to be a matter to eternal salvation. Most professing Christians agree water baptism is not essential to salvation. And not denying the Trinity is an essential. There are at least three versions of the Biblical Trinity. But all agreeing there are.three Persons who are the same God.

 

Paul Apostle prophesied, saying: 2Timothy 3:1 and 5-9

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.


Jude 1:3-5 and 10-15

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, brother of James, in his epistle said to them that are sanctified by GOD the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our GOD into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord GOD, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.


10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute Judgment upon all (1Corinthians 6:2-3 among other biblical references, even Daniel 7:22&26-27), and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net

Antichrist's Kingdom- the 5th universal kingdom | Friends Of Jesus )

 

This is what I was talking about when I said you just state your dogma and then won't respond to what anyone else actually says. Reformed teaching is that the church determines the application of doctrinal truth and judges individual sin. The are specific doctrines as to how this works, much of which is involved with the use of the "keys".

The difference is, Protestant teaching does not put the authority of man above what we have in scripture. A Protestant doctrine may be wrong but the starting premise is at least that the teaching was derived from scripture and is supported by scripture. Mistakes can be made (no one is claiming infallibility) but there is at least the possibility of correction because someone else can say later "that is wrong". Roman Catholics cannot do that because they have made impossible claims that cannot be reversed. An example would be how modern Catholic theologians try very hard to say Baptists are lesser brothers while they stumble over the anathemas of Trent.

The problem of what you call confusion is real, but the problem of perpetual error, compounded over time and enforced by one huge body is also there. G. Campbell Morgan, the predecessor of Martyn Lloyd Jones, addressed this by saying that God in his wisdom, has not put all truth in every detail under one denominational body.

The Protestant model is that scripture is the final authority, even over the church, but with these differences. The application of these truths is done by the church (and it usually is the local church, not a universal church), and no new edicts are pronounced as coming directly from God because the scriptures are complete.

 

Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by GOD the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Yeah, sanctified by GOD the Father,

not by the Vicarivs Filii Dei, who was born from the sin, from the Devil.