Featured OSAS Trap

Ok, Cathode, let's be reasonable here.

It is believed that the apostle James, the brother of the apostle John, was the first apostle killed.

Where in Scripture was his apostleship replaced? The truth is, it's not!

James was killed early, and there was plenty of time in Scripture to announce his succession, but that didn't talk place.

Paul said that God made some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors, some teachers.

Where is the apostle and the prophet today? Why is there no mention of these offices continuing in succession in the Scripture.

Paul appointed pastors and deacons, and teachers for the Church and left some in charge of doing the same in other Churches. But there is no mention of Paul's Apostolic Succession.

It is Catholic history that claims the office of Apostolic Succession, not the Bible.

 

There is no such creature as “Priests of Apostolic succession”. That is unbiblical, made up Catholic dogma designed to control the ignorant.

All Apostles died by the end of the first century. Peter never went to Rome. More made up Catholic nonsense.

The commission of Christ is to preach the gospel (not made up Catholic dogma), make disciples and baptize.

It is not to control peoples lives by pretending you control whether or not they receive grace, forgiveness, entry into heaven.

peace to you

 

That is the pastors job to oversee the flock, he is the overseer.

The Scripture doesn't teach succession, The apostles took that authority to the grave having started the system. Each individual Church chooses their overseer through prayer and seeking the will of God.

Christ is the head of the Church, not the Pope. The Church doesn't seek the will of the Pope, but the will of the Father.

I don't even like the the way the SBC operates, that's why I'm an Independent.

 

Did you notice they made lists of books that were accepted by the people as scripture. They did not make them scripture by edict.
You are under the misapprehension that the RCC has the power to determine what is scripture.
It was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture was the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It just took man a bit longer to realize which ones He wanted to be included.
We have seen a number of books that were purported to be scripture by the RCC but were just written by men and were never part of Gods' canon.

Why would any logical person trust the RCC when they have chosen to misinterpret so much of scripture. Look at just some of the errors the institution has foisted on their gullible followers. Salvation is only through the RCC, salvation by good works, the priest, a man, can forgive sins, baptism saves, the the pope is the vicar of Christ and is infallible in matters of doctrine, faith and morals. I could go on but you can see the many errors of the institution

Did you not read what I wrote "I have never considered myself to be infallible in my interpretation, I am not arrogant like your Pope and bishops."

 

God gave us the indwelling Holy Spirit as our guide. The RCC has proven itself to be a false guide through its' many false doctrines. But the RCC can not have men actually read the bible and think. The require men to submit to the whims of the Pope and priests no matter how illogical they are.

Paul was correct when he made this warning to the church.
Act 20:28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Act 20:29 "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 "Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.

The RCC is the wolves that have come into the true church of God and have drawn men after them to follow their false doctrines rather than the teaching of God through His word.

But God has not left His church without a guide, the Holy Spirit, He will lead those that truly trust in God to a correct understanding of His word.

 

There is neither Apostolic Succession nor Apostolic Lineage in the scriptures. It's a false doctrine of the Replacement Theology Catholic Cult.

The only Succession and Lineage promises in the scriptures are to the House of Israel.

 

The authority was given to the pastors of the Church. It is believed Timothy was the pastor of the Church at Ephesus. If they are correct, then the letter the apostle John wrote to the Ephesus Church in Rev. would have been written to Timothy.

We see things totally different with the Church, but this has been ongoing for over 500 years, and we aren't going to solve it.

Actually, I'm sorry we have this issue, but Christ told us He didn't come to bring peace on earth, but a sword. There's going to be division, and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

I just don't like it that we are placed in this position. It's an automatic lashing out at one another.

It's always been this way between the Prot. and Cath.

I try to avoid it and I'm sure you do at times, but it's a clash that can't be denied, it seems.

It's nothing personal, at least understand that. It's just conviction from both sides.

 

It says he that believes not will not be saved, not he who is baptized not.

“He who gets on the bus to Boston and sits down shall go to Boston, but he who gets not in the bus shall not go.”

The sitting is the correct thing to do but he can get to Boston standing up on the bus. Getting in the bus is necessary; believing on the Lord Jesus is necessary, not the sitting down, not water baptism. In the first place, born of water is the physical birth, not spiritual, thus we say “born again”, even though it’s actually “born from above”.

Water baptism doesn’t save anyone. 1 Corinthians 12:13 IS the baptism that saves, and NO, I am not referring to speaking in a different language.

 

I can understand that! We Protestants feel the same about being called the rebellious, and renegades.

So there we are, under the Sword of Christ.

 

But it was for a reason, and I know you're not in the dark as to why!

 

I don’t think Catholics are meant to be referred to that way, but the leadership.

How do you understand the Mystery Babylon passages in the Revelation? To me, they appear to refer to the RCC, and the pope seems to fit the description of the False Prophet (not the anti-Christ personage). I don’t mean that with any vitriol. It just seems the shoe fits.

How do you understand those passages? I would be interested to know (for the record, I do believe there are some saved Catholics—and some saved Baptists—I wish all were saved).