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Both verses "pulled out" were within the context of Hebrews 10:26. Thus the point I made was contextual, whereas your claim ignored that very context.

The denial that the author of Hebrews does not contrast the behavior of professing believers with born anew believers is utter nonsense.

 

Of course the author was addressing those actually born anew, then he introduced the contrast in verse 25. Duh

 

With the topic. Talk about obfuscation!!!

Once saved, always saved.

There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation, positional sanctification in Christ. Full stop.

Look for the verse that says be careful you do not cause yourself to become unborn anew, not a child of God, not a new creation. Live in fear you will snatch yourselves out of God's all-powerful hand. You can do the impossible.

 

LOL, Siblings in Christ do not try to intimidate, embarrass or belittle each other.

Your loss of salvation doctrine is false and unstudied nonsense.

Did you explain how a person could cease to be born anew? Nope.

Did you explain how a person could remove themselves from being "in Christ?" Nope

There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation.

John 10:27-29
“My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

If the life given is not eternal, then it could be lost.
If a saved person could subsequently lose their salvation, then they perish.
No one includes the person saved, thus in order to lose our salvation, we would need to overpower God. Good Luck with that.

 

Notice how this poster wants to change the subject to me, and not to defend the indefensible.
Answer the questions, Sir.

If the life given is not eternal, then it could be lost.
If a saved person could subsequently lose their salvation, then they perish.
No one includes the person saved, thus in order to lose our salvation, we would need to overpower God. Good Luck with that.

 

The author addresses his kinsmen (Jews) in Israel. Not born again Christians.

 

For the saved to become lost, would mean that God had made a mistake by giving them the new birth in the first place. God never makes mistakes; never says “Oops!”

 

Once again:
"These falling away are described in the letter as brethren, partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God, received the knowledge of the truth, sanctified by the blood of the covenant, the LORD's people...."

 

Brother Charlie24 I have not read your last thread yet regarding unconditional salvation, but in following that truth, why are you presenting the case as if there are conditions after salvation as if that would affect salvation?

I agree that Jesus Christ & Paul & Peter & even John gave warnings about not abiding in Him as His disciple, but that only affects being received by the Bridegroom at the pre great tribulation rapture event if they be found as reprobates or workers of iniquity for why they would be left behind as denied by Him.

2 Timothy 2:10-13 testifies to this faithful saying that those who deny him, He will deny them per verse 12 but yet even if we believe not, He still abides in us because He is faithful.

Then Paul gave an example of a former believer that would deny him in 2 Timothy 2:18 and yet "nevertheless the foundation is sure as that seal of adoption is too in 2 Timothy 2:19 for why they are called to depart from iniquity... or else wind up as a vessel unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House per 2 Timothy 2:10 as these be the saints left behind. And so to avoid that is to look to Jesus Christ for help in discerning iniquity & lies to depart from them so they too can be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House.

 

There are times when saved believers should withdraw if the church refuses to depart from works of iniquity that denies Him like the way the Catholics use the Mass for receiving atonement for sins committed since last Mass which Hebrews 10:1-31 reproves them for doing that and the Protestant churches for believing Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine which is committing idolatry as 1 Corinthians 10:14-23 reproves them for doing that when communion is just to be done in remembrance of Him..

Ephesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I wish I could say the Baptist church is where I could point Catholics and Protestants to go to but since they are not all speaking the same thing and holding to the same judgment as some seem to have that Pentecostal/Charismatic mindset with the focus on receiving the Holy Spirit by a sign, or even promote a filling of the Holy Spirit for saved believers to seek after, many Baptist err as many churches do in applying the Trinity doctrine at the expense of His words for how God the Father wants us to come to Him by John 14:6 and how God the Father wants us to only honor Him by and that is ONLY by His Son John 5:22-23, and so all I can do is point church goers to go to Jesus Christ in living that reconciled relationship with God the Father by in leaving the church and pray they may find other like-minded believers to hold, fellowship with the Father & the Son 1 Corinthians 1:9-10 & 1 Corinthians 2:2 & 1 John 1:3-9

 

Paul called Jews his brethren when he appeared before the Pharisees and Sadducees who were trying to kill him, in the Book of Acts. They weren’t Christians.

He called them his kinsmen according to the flesh in Romans. Your argument is moot.

 

Can you cite that scriptural reference, please? I know of one where Paul addressed the Jews as brethren in Acts 28:12-29, but that does not come across as the time you had described for how they were trying to kill him.

I can also point to Saul's conversion when the Lord sent Ananias and Ananias had addressed Paul as a brethren.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Course, that reference is debatable as to how Ananias was addressing Saul, as a Jew or as a potential believer yet to be saved?

At any rate, your contention that Jews are considered brethren is only in relation to one that was formerly or is a Jew when read in context of what is being conveyed here in that regard of how brethren is used. Obviously in regards to Acts 28:12-29, they are not the brethren as associated with the Lord Jesus Christ since they are not doing the will of the Father.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Are you talking about this reference?

Romans 16:10 Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' household. 11 Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the household of Narcissus, which are in the Lord. 12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.

If so, that kinsman is a Christian when read in context of those 3 verses. That term kinsman may refer to his former background of being a Jew, but to be saluted among the believers, he has to be a Christian,

Unless you are referring to a different reference.

 

Yes. Read Acts chapters 21, 22, and 23.

Chapter 21 for some background, then about midway through, the action starts, and note that at the opening verses of chapters 22 and 23, Paul addresses those who are seeking to kill him by calling them brethren. They are fellow Jews, not Christians.

 

Romans 9

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.

Paul could wish himself lost, if it would save his lost brethren, his kinsmen by the flesh, his fellow Jews.