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You are misquoting 2 Thessalonians 2:13, again. This is why your beliefs are so unbiblical.

We are chosen to be the firsts fruits of salvation “through sanctification of the Holy Spirit” and belief in the truth.

We are first “set apart” (sanctified) by God Holy Spirit and we then believe the truth of the gospel.

Half quoting scripture is misquoting scripture, especially when it changes the meaning of the passage.

peace to you

 

As a minister you do a poor job of presenting the gospel message as found in scripture. But you do a good job of putting forward the errant calvinist theology.

You have continued to put forward the unbiblical view that a person is saved {make soul a new spiritual creation} prior to them believing. As a minister you will be held to account for the false teaching that you have and continue to do.

 

So says the one who maintains many are saved having never heard the gospel.

I don’t think any one needs a lecture in theology from such a person.

Peace to you

 

Then it is obvious that you still do not trust scripture or God.

 

Only in your mind

peace to you

 

You almost get it right but then you fall back into the calvinist error.

Where the calvinists such as you fail is that you then require God to treat man as if he were a puppet. Man can only dance to the string that God pulls. And yet you say man is responsible.

By your own words God has to make them hear, repent and believe. So if God does not make them hear, repent and believe then why would He hold them responsible for not doing so. The bible says God is just but that does not sound very just does it.

We are also told that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Following your logic is He unable to save everyone or is He just telling a lie? Your theology falls apart when you carry it through to its' logical conclusion.

The biggest hurdle that you as a calvinist have to get over is how do you know that you believe and are saved? As you said God has to make you hear, repent and believe. So even your faith is not your own and you have to hope that it is real and not just wishful thinking.

 

The fact is you continue to deny scripture. You have fallen for an errant philosophy called calvinism.

 

Romans 9:18-21

You are in error because you don’t know, or simply ignore scripture.

This passage answers your question concerning why God still holds them accountable.

Pay particular attention to “who are you, oh man, that answers back to God?”

You think you are the first to attack the doctrines of Grace with this argument? Paul, who taught the doctrines of Grace received from Jesus, Himself, had people in the first century making the same argument you are today.

This passage answers your question. There is no question in my mind you will ignore it because it destroys your argument in support of the doctrines of Grace.

You arguments are secular, not biblical, based on secular philosophy, not scripture.

peace to you

 

I am not answering back to God I am just showing you how errant your theology is. I actually trust what the bible says as opposed to what you as a calvinist has to do. Your DoG are just your man made philosophy that has twisted and or misapplied scripture.

I do not ignore scripture but I do ignore the errant view you have applied to scripture.

Since Gods desire is for all to be saved and yet not all are there must be a reason not all are.

Now if we went by what @Dr. Bob said that God has to make them hear, repent and believe. Then God is logically responsible for all those that do not hear, repent and believe. That is unless you think man can actually make real choices such as the bible clearly says but which calvinism denies. Then man would actually be responsible for rejecting God.

Those that reject God as Pharaoh did and as many people still do God will harden their hearts and rightly so. But those that respond in faith to the various means that God uses to draw people to Himself will not be hardened.

So God has mercy on those that trust in Him and He hardens those that continue to reject Him.

We see this principle clearly in Pharaoh, the Pharisees that denied Christ, the Judaizers that opposed Paul and we still see it in many people that oppose the biblical message today.

 

All those words, yet you ignore Romans 9 which directly answers your statement that God cannot find fault if the person is unable to respond on their own.

You are ignoring scripture, obviously. You are talking back to God, obviously.

You are attempting to hold God to a standard based in secular philosophy and ignoring scripture while you do it.

peace to you

 

Nice try to deflect there old boy. To bad that you are not as good at understanding scripture.

You still have not bothered to check out the pagan roots of your theology have you. If you had then you would see that the view you try to import into scripture is just a rehash of pagan philosophy.

What I obviously ignore is your calvinist misunderstanding of scripture. I have explained those verses to you in clear language but you continue to ignore.

But since everything that you do and think has been predetermined for you it really is not your fault. You have been programed that way. It is not scripture that you believe but calvinism.

The text really is not hard to understand when you take of those distorting glasses.

 

All those words and still ignoring Romans 9.

Your secular, man made philosophy, is contrary to the clear word of God.

You are now in your deflect and attack mode, which always happens when God’s Word proves you are wrong.

No need to continue this.

peace to you

 

You have been shown the truth and yet you hold to your errant DoG. You have effectively denied the sovereignty of God and replaced Him with the sovereignty of your calvinist teachers.

That is so sad. I will continue to pray that God will open your eyes and heart to His word and His truth.

Calvinism is a false doctrine based on pagan beliefs.

 

You may not agree with them or believe them, but people who believe the doctrines of grace do so because they believe that that is what the bible teaches. Look through the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, or the Westminster Confession, both of which accord with the doctrines of grace, and both of which give scriptural references for each matter stated. In other words, the beliefs are held because if Scripture, not because Calvin taught them. The doctrines of grace certainly do not deny the sovereignty of God.

 

The WCF and the LBCF may accord with the DoG but the DoG do not accord with scripture therefore the WCF and LBCF do not accord with scripture as you are suggesting.

The errant doctrines were brought into the church form pagan philosophy by Augustine and then Calvin and latter calvinists just carried them on.

Actually your DoG do question the sovereignty of God.