What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?

If that is @John of Japan's stance, I do not defend it, but I have the feeling that you are misrepresenting him on several fronts. But he can answer for himself. JoJ and I disagree on several points, but I respect him and count him a brother in Christ. As I said, I was baptized by immersion in a Brethren church, and I was baptized into Christ, not into any denomination or assembly. However, I have since moved to a Baptist church and therefore post on a Baptist site.
But I get the impression that you could start a fight in an empty room, so I will leave you to it.

 

Never said this, don't believe it.

Misrepresenting me.

Have no idea what you are talking about. This has no connection with anything I wrote.

Never wrote a thing about some "legitimate Baptist church."

Never said, this, don't believe it.

This has no connection with anything I wrote.

Why are you being dishonest like this about what I wrote?

 

Baptist disagree on which baptism the "one baptism" in Ephesians 4:5 refers to. The one Spirit who places us in the one body, 1 Corinthians 12:13 or the symbolic believer's water baptism, Matthew 28:19.

 

Ephesians 4:5 and 1 Cor. 12:13 are both referring to the spiritual baptism, it's the born-again experience.

Matt. 28:19 is the baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is water baptism. Anytime you read in the Scripture, "they were baptized in the name of..." that is water baptism.

 

So you'll have a better understanding, 37818, Paul explains this spiritual baptism in Colossians 2:10-13.

This spiritual baptism has several parts explaining what happens the very moment you place faith in Jesus Christ.

1) It's the "circumcision made with out hands," that Jeremiah referred to
2) It's the "circumcision of Christ."
3) It's being "buried with Him in baptism."
4) It's being "buried into His death"
5) It's being "dead in your sins of the flesh."

"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"

I can help you to understand this even better if you have any questions.

 

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Romans 6:3, Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Baptist disagree which baptism is ment. The symbolic water or indwelling Spirit.

 

Brother you indeed clarified your understanding.
This doesn't change the Baptist disagreement over which baptism is interpreted when the baptism term is used by itself.

 

Like I said several times before, we Baptists are a mixed bag, but there is only one truth in Scripture.

 

The "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, . . ." Without hands cannot mean (water) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Romans 6:3-4.
Again Baptist disagree which baptism is being ment, symbolic water or the Spirit.

 

Water baptism is the type and shadow of the spiritual baptism.

It's the spiritual baptism in the spiritual realm that actually saves the soul.

In water baptism you are expressing outwardly in water, what actually took place in the spiritual realm, when you were actually saved in the spiritual baptism by faith in Christ.

 

The simple fact is, when the term baptism is used, Baptist can disagree when symbolic water or the Spirit is ment.

 

Water baptism and your actual salvation in spiritual baptism go hand in hand, they can't be separated.

This is how Paul can say there is only "one baptism."

That "one baptism" is the spiritual baptism that saved your soul and placed you in Christ, with the water baptism being the symbol of that "one baptism."

 

An imposed concept or terminology sometimes when the text simply reads a baptism.

 

There lies the problem with baptism. The folks don't know the difference.

The great theologians of old gave the name "spiritual baptism" for the understanding to be clarified.

 

The [New Testament] doctrine of baptisms. Hebrews 6:2a.

Luke 3:16-17, John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

One basic hermeneutic.for baptism. The bare term baptism generally refers to water.

 

You're the accuser. It is on you to prove what you said I stand for. But you can't do it. I dare you, I defy you to prove one single thing you accuse me of from what I wrote on this thread or anywhere else. You can't.

I know what I wrote, and it had nothing to do with the positions you ascribe to me. You have twisted my words and even attributed to me things I never came near saying.

What you have done is called Biblically "false witness." The Bible has much to say about a false witness, 19 verses with that exact phrase. Look who you are included with by our Lord Jesus Christ: "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (Matthew 15:19).