Prove the Practice of Worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

In the event that this practice has crept into the Baptist churches, I would ask anyone here to prove by the scripture "this practice" of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

The modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. introduced that practice and yet there are no scriptural support for that practice, let alone teaching that is how we are to worship.

This is NOT about doubting the Holy Spirit is God NOR denying the Holy Spirit as One of the Three Witnesses within the One God.

This is about proving by the scriptures that is how God the Father wants us to honor Him & worship Him by.

As far as I can tell, across many Christian forums, nobody cares to address it nor prove it while some go off on a tangent trying to prove the Trinity doctrine as if that makes it okay to do that practice. It does not.

So the question would spin back on me and that is are there any scriptural references that would omit the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son? Are there any scriptural references that specifically cites how God the Father wants us to come to Him by and to honor Him by at the exclusion of the Holy Spirit? Yes.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:22 is a standard of judgment that is being raised and John 5:23 is that judgment. The latter part of verse 23 leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit because the moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father.

Then we have this. which many thinks this is only about salvation when this is how we are to come to God the Father by for anything.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That includes prayer;

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So how is God glorified?

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

What is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship, in obedience?

Philippians 2;5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

That God working in us is Jesus Christ;

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Look at how the role of the Holy Spirit for why He would lead us to testify of the Son ( john 15:26-27 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:13-14 ) not only in outward ministry but in worship as well.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

When we are instructed as such below in witnessing...

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Then that is how the Holy Spirit will serve as a witness of Jesus Christ by not speaking of Himself in seeking His own glory but of the Son in seeking His glory. Then that is how the Holy spirit will lead us in worship since the glory of God rests on His Son and that is to the glory of God the Father.

What happens when believers take their eyes off of the Son in worship & focus on the Holy Spirit?

The holy laughter movement ......even the 700 Club has been led astray in not seeing it as apostasy.

https://cbn.com/article/not-selected/holy-laughter-bringing-revival-church

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Why would God allow this strong delusion to occur in the churches, thinking that is the Holy Spirit coming unto them? They were honoring the Holy Spirit and it happened. Then they invoke the Holy Spirit to come again, and it happened again, thus forgetting the commandment of His invitation of John 14:6 and prayer John 14:13-14. They worshipped the Holy Spirit and so you cannot prove to them that is not the Holy Spirit.

That is why Baptist churches had better narrow the way in the worship place to avoid that work of iniquity whereby spirits of the antichrist as in seducing spirits can come in and take that worship away from the Son.

And yet the real indwelling Holy Spirit would never take our eyes off of the Son in worship and so that is why that practice needs to be reproved as the Holy spirit would not lead us to worship Himself with the Father & the Son so as to avoid the spirits of the antichrist that would come in with signs & lying wonders to cause many to go astray in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

The existence of the triune God is not in dispute,

There is a problem for how one applies that doctrine of the Trinity.

Although my post did not question the existence of the Triune God nor deny the Holy Spirit being God, it did explain why there are no scriptures teaching the “practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son” by addressing the specificity of John 5:22–23 for how every believer will be judged by how we honor God the Father by and John 14:6 for how we are to come to God the Father by and it is not by way of the Holy Spirit nor by the broad way of the “blessed Trinity.”

John 10:1 warns about climbing up another way and Matthew 7:13–14 even warns how bad it will be in the latter days for how false prophets had “broadened” the way for why only a few will find it and the emphasis is narrowing the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind per Luke 13:24–30 as Jesus is that singular door John 10:7 to the Father John 14:6.

Jesus literally meant what He has said in john 5:22–23 & John 14:1-6 for why all those other warnings in Matthew 7:13–27 & Luke 13:24–30 & John 10:1,7 should be heeded since the Holy Spirit is not going to be offended when He is sent to dwell within us to lead us to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and that has to include worship and not just outward ministry per John 15:25–26 &16:14 as the glory of God rests on the glory of His Son per John 13:31–32.

The Father is not glorified by honoring the Holy Spirit nor by honoring the blessed Trinity as Paul emphasized this mind of Christ we are to have in worship for where the glory of God the Father rests upon and that is His Son per Philippians 2:5–11.

So my post did not offend the Holy Spirit nor God in any way but shared a warning for why many in these latter days are at risk of being left behind for not heeding His words for why Jesus said verse 6 in the context of Him receiving us in John 14:1–6 and that was about maintaining the commandment of His invitation in continuing our reconciled relationship with God the Father through His Son as led by the indwelling Holy Spirit in us to do for that is the will of the Father.

Now if you do not have an answer for why there are no scriptures that teaches or introduce the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and I have shared scriptures for why there are no scriptures for why my contention against such practice is not arguing from “silence”, maybe somebody else can answer and defend that practice, but arguing just because there is a Triune God and the Holy Spirit is God, does not prove that is how God the Father wants us to honor Him by and come to Him by in worship when His words by way of His Son says otherwise is why I see that defense is arguing from silence. but at the expense of His words that says otherwise for how we are to honor the Father & come to Him by.

The Holy Spirit is God and of the Triune God, BUT there are scriptures testifying for why there are no scriptures teaching that practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, as His words specified only His Son.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Just because there is a Triune God, that does not give us the right to ignore His words let alone add to His words as if it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son or to honor the Father by honoring the blessed "trinity" in worship.

Jesus meant what He has said as this standard of judgment has been raised on all Christians according to John 5:22.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Dare we continue following the crowd due to a church traditional practice not taught in scripture for us to do?

 

That name that converts are water baptized under is Jesus Christ.

Where does the glory of God the Father rests on? If you were to glorify God the Father alone, where is His glory other than His Son?

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

Is that the mind of Christ we are to have in worship in obedience?

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

There is no approaching the Holy Ghost in worship when He is in you serving as our Comforter.

When we recognize what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do and that is to testify of the Son through us per John 15:26-27 to glorify the Son John 16:14, then that has to include worship.

The Holy Spirit will not lead us to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory but of the Son and His glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father. The indwelling Holy Spirit would never lead us away from that singular testimony for that is Whom the glory of God the Father rests upon.

Worship is given Heavenward as Jesus had ascended in preparing the way for us in coming to God the Father. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men, Jesus is the only One at that throne of grace by Whom we have access to God the Father by that Lamb of God.

Dare we add to His words and make another way to come to God the Father by in worship? Dare we "broaden" the way to include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the Holy Spirit would never lead us to do that?

Dare we say we know better than what Jesus said by adding the honor of the Holy Spirit as if He is another way to honor the Father by? How can you honor the Holy Spirit when everything the Holy Spirit says and does, the Spirit defer that credit & glory to the Son?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit in you is STILL leading you by His words to honor the Father by only honoring the Son and to come to God the Father in worship, prayer, and fellowship by only coming to the Son aka the Bridegroom, our first love. It is the spirits of the antichrist, which the term means "instead of Christ" are the ones that would take your eyes off of Him in worship with their visitations of signs and lying wonders. If you wish to avoid those supernatural apostate phenomenon, keep your eyes on the Son & thereby not suffer a thief to break through because you did not heed His words to come to the Father but through Him.

 

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2 can also apply to the commandment of His invitation in John 14:6 for how believers are to keep coming to God the Father BUT by His Son and for how the only way to honor the Father is by honoring the Son because the moment they stop honoring the Son, they are no longer honoring the Father. John 5:22–23 That is a standard of judgment raised on every believer.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Holy Spirit is God and those led by the Spirit of God will be doing what the Holy Spirit has been sent to dwell in us to do and that is to lead us to testify of the Son through us John 15:26–27 to glorify the Son John 16:13 and by doing so honor and glorify God the Father.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

That is why there are no scriptures teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son because of those specific commandment of His invitation for how we are to come to God the Father by and how we are to honor the Father by.

The problem is that the modified Nicene Creed of 381 A.D. and even the Athanasian Creed promoted the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and yet there is no basis for that emphasis for addressing all Three in worship or even the Holy Spirit solitary at times when such creeds has led to creating hymns toward that worship.

Jesus warned about false prophets coming in “broadening” the way for why many in these latter days are having a hard time finding it to be received by the Bridegroom. This is not just about false teachings of ecumenicalism of other religions with the church as if there are other ways to be saved that the RCC and even the late Billy Graham were compromising with, but because of the emphasis of striving to enter through that straight gate to avoid being left behind as Jesus said in the latter days, only a few will find it as many will not see the necessity to narrow the way back to the Son in coming to God the Father nor the emphasis on honoring the Father by only honoring the Son.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Dare we ignore how the way was broaden by those creeds?

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

“Verily, verily” reads to me an emphasis on keeping our eyes on the Son in worship if we wish to worship God the Father in Heaven as there is no other way to honor the Father by.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

~~~~~ The consequence is too great to ignore. Look at how Jesus denied those that believed in Him because they did not take the only way that was provided for them to come to God by.

Read verses 25 & 27 for how He had chastened them for the direction they took with coming to the Father by the use of the words “whence ye are”.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Consider how Protestants believe Christ’s Presence is in the bread and the wine and that they are coming into His Presence when holding “holy communion”. How is that NOT presenting another way to come to God the Father by and yet 1 Corinthians 10:14–23 has Paul testifying that the Protestants and the Catholics are committing idolatry.

Look at how those apostate movement of the “spirit” like the holy laughter movement broke out across the denomination when their focus is on the Holy Spirit or the Trinity in worship? When the phenomenon happens, is it not telling how they address the Holy Spirit in worship and prayer for Him to come again with that sign and that phenomenon happens again?

That is what Jesus is warning believers about to watch and not suffer a thief to break through, because by broadening the way in the worship place, churches are suffering the spirts of the antichrist to come and steal the worship for themselves.

And yet antichrist as it is used in scripture, means instead of Christ and so may we all see why there are no scriptures testifying to the Holy Spirit in worship or in prayer because that would be the same as “instead of Christ”.

Like taking the direction for how we come to God the Father “instead of Christ”.

Like how we honor the Father ‘instead of Christ” which the Holy Spirit in us would never lead us to do but the spirits of the antichrist would.

That is why I am emphasizing John 14:6 & John 5:22–23 because those creeds are promoting a practice where we are to come to God the Father by another way as by the Holy Spirit or the broad way of the Trinity which still comes across as “instead of Christ”.

Dare we allow the creeds to continue to influence church traditions not found in the Bible when we have His words specifying how to come to God the Father by and how to honor the Father by and that is only by His Son?