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Although I agree with the majority of the OP, there is an oversight in most Christian reading whenever applying Romans 8:1 as if Christian can never sin as some may apply that to mean on one side of the coin whereas another side of the coin infer that they can never be condemned but yet they can be condemned for living in unrepentant sinful lifestyle.

Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.... 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

This is not about any loss of salvation, but a loss of the crown and thereby becoming a castaway as in left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Even though the works on that foundation is burned up, the foundation remains and thus why in verse 15, the believer is still saved in spite of suffering a physical death when left behind in that day of the BEMA Judgment seat of Christ for why there is that terror of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So as anyone reads the following verses that ends in Romans 8th chapter, this applies even to those that refuse to look to Jesus Christ daily to resists sin and not engage in any works of iniquity be it religious or supernatural in the church as they are risking condemnation in being left behind, but they are still saved as nothing will separate us from the love of God.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Better to go before that throne of grace asking Jesus for help to depart from iniquity and to resist sin daily as well as His help not to be ensnared by the cares of this life that we would not want to leave, so we can escape what is coming on the earth.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

Paul says that not only losing his crown could happen to him, but he could become a castaway too.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Jesus warned this church in Revelation that they could lose their crown if they did not heed His exhortation.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Since there is an exhortation and there is a prize to running that race which is for that crown, we shall not receive that crown until He brings us Home to the Marriage Supper above.

Therefore may we look to Jesus Christ daily in helping us lay aside every weight & sin as any crown we receive is His crowning achievements in us for running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

Salvation is assured, but the crown is not since that is the high prize of our calling for why we are running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son in thought, word, and deed.

You should avoid people's commentary's for understanding and rightly dividing the word of truth when we do not need men to teach us as if to confirm the word of God by, but have it confirmed by Jesus for why we are to prove all things by Him.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

That includes anything I share like right now about how God will judge every believer by what they build on that foundation in that day when He judges His House first per 1 Peter 4:17 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 which is what that pre great tribulation rapture is about and when that Bema Judgment Seat takes place.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God......

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

In that day of judgment per verse 13, God will judge what was built on that foundation which can never be removed, hence our salvation per verse 10, BUT if we built what sows to the flesh and thereby defile the temple of God, then we will die per verses 16-17 but our spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to wait for that resurrection after the great tribulation per verse 15.

So that is why Paul said it could happen to him that he could lose his crown and become a castaway if he did not bring or keep his body under subjection to the word of God with His help.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

The crown is not a reference to our salvation but the high prize of our calling in Christ Jesus but that foundation laid by Jesus Christ can never be removed for why those left behind for defiling it, are still saved.

 

The crowns are separate from salvation for why those left behind in losing their crowns are still saved.

The crown is the high prize of our calling for why saved believers are running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us resist sin daily in thought, word, and deed so we may be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House.

Look at how former believers that would deny him for why He will deny them and yet even left behind, He is faithful for He still abides.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Paul even gave an example of a former believer and yet nevertheless that foundation is sure as that seal of adoption is too for why those abiding in Him are still to call those former believers and professing believers in iniquity to depart from iniquity with His help or risk being denied by him as reprobates in being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House for not looking to Him for help to depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So what happens when that former believer or that professing believer that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom comes> They are reprobates as in disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven for why they will be excommunicated and left behind to die, but their spirts will be with the Lord in heaven to wait for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels of dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood and earth, but still in His House.

Those vessels unto dishonor are the former believers and unrepentant saved believers that did not look to Jesus Christ for help daily in departing from iniquity and that is how a saved believer can lose that crown as well as becoming a castaway.

 

How about addressing the scripture instead? Salvation is not at risk but receiving that crown is.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

This is what happens if they do not repent as these saved believers will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation thus becoming a castaway as Paul warned.

And again in regards to the crown, Jesus gives that warning ti the church at Philadelphia.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

So what happens when a believer does not hold fast? They allow a man to take his crown ( & they get left behind too.)

 

So you are blocked from receiving His words because you believe there is no pre great tribulation rapture event?

Let me know if you still believe that after reading post # 11 for how Christ warned the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-25 if they do not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

Not to mention how a saved believer can lose the reward of their crown if they do not hold fast in Revelation 3:7-11. That also means they will be left behind as not kept from that hour of temptation that shall try all remaining on the earth; hence the coming new world order and the mark of the beast system.

That is what running that race is all about and why Peter was exhorting the saved believers to endure to the end to escape that fire coming on the third of the earth in 2 Peter 3:3-15 which is Revelation 8:7 for how the destruction of Babylon USA comes about in Revelation 18th chapter. This is what will cause the new world order & the mark of the beast system to come about for the rest of the 2/3rds parts of the world after that.

 

Then what are the crowns that the 24 elders are casting at His feet?

Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

It cannot be Christ as if casting Him at His feet.

Look at His exhortation to the church at Syna.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

So it is not like He is giving Himself when they are faithful unto death and so the crown of life cannot be Himself by His crowning achievements in us when we look to Him for help to die for Him.

Obviously the crown is separate from salvation as it is the high prize of our calling in running that race by faith in Jesus Christ in following Him as His disciple.

 

I know that you must be persuaded to believe in that way, but it is at the expense of scripture.

Notice how the 3 angels sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth in Revelation 14:6-12 after the pre great tribulation rapture event in Revelation 14:1-5 in regards to who makes up His personal choir from among all those redeemed as in raptured from the earth.

Then notice how Revelation 18th chapter is described in detail of that fall of Babylon heralded by that 2nd angel in Revelation 14:8. That means it happens after the rapture event.

The notice how Revelation 19:1-10 testify how God avenged the saints for the apostasy in the churches, and notice how the Marriage Supper is mentioned in verse 9.

Then heaven "opened" again for when he returns with the pre great tribulation raptured saints to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem in Revelation 19:11-21 as it ties in with Zechariah 14:1-5 with Him touching down with His feet on the Mount of Olives.

Then in Revelation 20:1-3, is after the victory of defeating the world's armies, Satan is in the pit for a thousand years.

Then there is that resurrection of those saints that went through the great tribulation in Revelation 20:4-6. Verse 5 explains why john termed it as first resurrection as that resurrection was to happen first before the rest of the dead are resurrected later on at the Great White Throne Judgment.

That means that resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is happening after Jesus is already on earth and after He has defeated the world's armies and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years.

That means Jesus is not meeting these saints in the air because those He meets in the air are the firstfruits of the resurrection. That is the order of resurrection that Paul was talking about below.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

may the Lord help you see the truth in His words for why His coming as the Bridegroom is when he will judge His house first as He will excommunicate those in unrepentant iniquity from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven just as the church is to do with those brethren that go astray down here to lead them to repentance in 1 Corinthians 5th chapter.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 5 - King James Version

What the church fail to do in excommunicating the unrepentant from the fellowship to lead them to repentance, you better believe the Lord Jesus Christ will excommunicate the unrepentant saved believers from the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Those left behind are still saved but missed out on the Marriage Supper in Heaven.

So it is not unbiblical at all.

 

So they cannot be casting Jesus Christ at the feet of Jesus Christ, right? So your assertations that the crown is Jesus Christ does not follow tract in the scriptures as per your earlier comment below.

"Nope. The crown is Christ. What do you desire more than Christ? A spot closer to God's throne? A larger mansion?

I am satisfied with having Christ." ~~ end of quote

Paul has Christ and yet in running that race, it is to obtain that crown and so the crown cannot be Christ less Paul is denying having Him as His Saviour.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Of course, there is a consequence for losing the crown and that is becoming a castaway as in excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in heaven at the pre great tribulation rapture event for when God will judge His House first.

It is not a loss of salvation, but a loss of being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection whereby those former believers and unrepentant saved believers left behind as workers of iniquity and thus reprobate, "disqualified" to attend the marriage Supper in Heaven, will die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to wait for their resurrection after the great tribulation.

Think of the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living. Having spent that and can never get it back, he will find that he is still son. He will be given a ring and a robe for how those resurrected after the great tribulation will serve Him as kings and priests that will raise up the coming generations in that 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

The loyal son working in the field had to be encouraged by his father to come in and celebrate by reminding his son that he has everything that the father has, which is indicative that it is not the same for the prodigal son seeing how he had given up his first inheritance for wild living.

So while the loyal son in the field has that crown of glory in being that vessel unto honor in His House, the vessels of gold & silver, resurrected to be like the angels that never die and never marry; Matthew 22:29-30 and live in that mansion in Heaven per John 14:1-3, the prodigal son will be wearing an earthly crown and getting married and having generations coming from them BUT needing to eat from the tree of life in that city of God on earth for the "healing of the nations" while living all over the world in serving Jesus Christ as kings and priests in raising the coming generations in that 1000 tear reign of Christ.

That means those resurrected after the great tribulation, the vessels of wood and earth, are not like the firstfruits of the resurrection that can never die nor marry, as they can still die a physical death BUT the power of the second death will not be over those resurrected after the great tribulation. This has to be written because the generations coming from them will be tested after Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years for why many as the sand of the sea will side with Satan in his last rebellion and be judged to join him in that second death, that lake of fire.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Two kinds of eternal inheritance in that kingdom of Heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

But there are 3 harvests that makes up the whole in that kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Christ the firstfruits at the pre great tribulation rapture event, then they that be Christ at His coming, and then they that remain loyal to Christ after Satan stages his last rebellion on earth after that 1000 year reign of Christ. Those are the 3 harvests that make up the whole of the Kingdom of Heven before it is completed with death and hell in the lake of fire after that Great White Throne Judgment before Jesus gives the "completed" kingdom of Heaven back to the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

Thanks for sharing, but still awaiting exchanges from you on the scriptures provided.

How can you rightly divide the word of truth by the scriptures that has been shared with you in order for you to prove me wrong by the scriptures in proving all things you seem to be believing otherwise?

Still hoping in the Lord to continue His ministry in His iron sharpen iron that is His to perform.