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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Odd fuss of late on this Forum over red-letter words in the Gospels as being inspired (or must be believed in order to be saved) but all the other writings of Paul, Moses, John, Peter, David, etc, may or may not be inspired or needed for salvation or of somehow lesser, non-authoritative value.

    The first historic "Fundamental of the Faith" rests on the simple fact that God inspired His Word (exact words in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek with exact grammar, definitions, word choice) completely and fully. We call this by the shorthand theological term "verbal plenary inspiration".

    God the Spirit is the author of it all. Some of it may not be very inspiring :) but it is all inspired, breathed by God. This was a direct event, NOT a secondary or tertiary inspiring of other writings, later translations, etc. (Such an attack on inspiration and a mockery of God perfectly speaking to man by claiming for ANY man-made words, books, music, etc. English or German or Spanish translations can be good or poor, but God didn't "breathe" them. If you want to argue a second level inspiration, go to the Bible Version thread and rant on.

    Thought I'd just start a thread to make sure we all believe God authored the Bible, every word, and that it is perfect. If you don't believe this, then maybe think about walking away from the Fundamental Baptist forum here on the BB. Please.
     
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  2. JonC

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    Except for a few instances (where Paul states his opinion and clarifies it is not a command from God) I believe all of Scripture is God's Word. I think Paul's clarification concerning his opinion (Paul making note that it is his words) shows the rest as being from God.
     
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    Ah. I think it to be God's inerrant word that it was Paul's opinion he gave.

    God's word is verbal and plenary even to the very letters used in the spelling God gave His words.
    Matthew 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
     
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    "But to the rest I say, not the Lord,"

    You believe that is false?

    That is a problem for you. The reason is that Paul tells us that part is his opinion and not God speaking - which would mean Scripture is wrong on that point.
     
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    "... I give charge, [yea] not I, but the Lord..."

    "...to the rest say I, not the Lord..."

    "...and I think that I also have the Spirit of God."
     
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    Yep. That's an issue if one believes that is not Paul but God because that'd make the verse false.

    I prefer simply believing it is from Paul "not the Lord". Mostly because that is what the verse says (no big words, I can read 'em all :))
     
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    Proverbs 30:5. 'Every word of the Lord is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.'
     
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    I weeded out many books from my library that I found to be of little worth.
    I've never owned a "Red Letter" bible, with one exception, a small booklet in the section of my library devoted to Bibliology.

    The Words in Red, The Teaching of Christ Compiled.
    Compiled by Michael Q. Pink and published by World Publishers in 1989.

    The Introduction reads,
    "We believe that the whole bible to be the inspired Word of God. Yet the words of Jesus have special significance, as He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it".

    I'm conscious of the compiler's intent but wary of the practice.
    I do not believe that some parts are more authoritative than others.
    The whole of Scripture is the inspired word of God.

    While some parts are more difficult to understand than others and some parts may be more practical, more likely to be useful in our daily lives, it is all worthwhile.
    Cutting it up like that reminds me a lot of Thomas Jefferson's Bible.

    I keep that booklet to remind me that all Scripture was     breathed out by God "and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness."

    Rob
     
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    No way.
    I hold every word is the God given God breathed. Verbal plenary. Even to the letters of the spelling used in the original autographs.when a Holy Scripture was written.
    Matthew 5:18. 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
     
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    I am a bit confused about your posts (I'm old....so it's probably me).

    I had posted that I believe when Scripture says something is Paul's words and not God's words that it is Paul's words and not God's words (words of a godly man to be seriously considered but not God's words).


    The confusing part to me is I do not understand how you can believe Scripture to be true in every part without believing that those words Scripture attributes to Paul and not God are not God's words.

    That's getting confusing....sorry....I'll leave it but ask in a question form:


    Scripture states that a passage is not from God but Paul's opinion.

    Do you believe that the passage is Paul's opinion and not God's words?
     
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    I am of the persuasion that those words are God's word those words are Paul's words that they are not God's words. God's written word often quotes others which are not His words.
     
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    We are getting a bit into Dr Seuss territory. :Biggrin

    So 1 Corinthians 7:12 is not God's word but Paul's mistake, and the verses following are God's words because 1 Corinthians 7:12 is wrong?
     
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    Often the verbatim is not even verbatim.

    Matthew 3:17, And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Mark 1:11, And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Luke 3:22, . . . and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
     
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    No.

    Matthew 4:3, And when the tempter came to him, he said, . . .

    Mark 16:3, And they said among themselves, . . .
     
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    I am trying to understand (sorry everybody....I'm slow on this one :( ).

    The verse isn't quoting Paul. It is a letter from Paul.

    What I am asking is whether the verse is correct to say that the following verses are not from God but Paul.

    The danger of looking at this as saying "Paul said, but Paul was wrong" is it can be applied to any passage. It is negating what is stated as fact in Scripture.

    Questions to ask is whether it is a sin for Christians to marry, whether it is perfectly fine for lost people to divorce believing spouses, etc.
     
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    It is God's word, that it is not God's instruction, but only Paul's instruction from Paul.
     
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    . . . Verbal Plenary Inspiration . . . .

    Seven minute video

     
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    I understand verbal plenary inspiration.

    But that does not solve the problem.

    Scripture is not quoting Paul. This is Paul himself stating that the passage is not God's words but his opinion. In fact, it is given as advice. The passage itself is the point (not a quote if Paul to make a point).

    IF the passage is not what Scripture states the passage is then Scripture is wrong. Verbal Plenary does not get us around that issue (verbal plenary would mean God inspired Paul to write that those were not God's words).


    To make matters worse, considering that one passage something other than what the passage claims calls into question verse 6 as well but the validity of Scripture as a whole.


    Do you believe it is a sin for a Christian to marry? Is it alright for a lost wife to divorce her saved husband?
     
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    I disagree.
    1 Corinthians 7:6, But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

    Then if it is not Holy Scripture, then it should be removed. Or italicized. Or bracketed.
     
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    I disagree.

    The reason I do not believe "But to the rest I say, not the Lord" should NOT be in italics or brackets is that those words are in the text being translated. Those words are, as such, a part of Scripture but not - if Scripture is true - God's words. Same with what Paul expressed as his opinion.
     
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