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Lacy (Son, Boy, and zero-point Calvanist . . .sure, but hyper-sensitive? Not me.)

 

I, Joey, Robert Govett, Paul, and Jesus all concur. This is exactly when the casting takes place. Then 1000 years later this takes place.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell F32 delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In the NPHDV (New Pauline (Penknife) Hyper-Dispensationalist (sensitive) Version) this last verse really says, "Rev 20:15 Since no one was found written in the book of life . . .boy . . .all of them were cast into the lake of fire with Govett, Faust, Evans, Newman, and all those other LYING APOSTATE IDIOT MULLETHEAD TIGHT-DRAWERED SOPRANO TEXAS FOOLS 'cause Paul told me so (but not in the book of Hebrews.)."

 

I, Joey, Robert Govett, Paul, and Jesus all concur. This is exactly when the casting takes place. Then 1000 years later this takes place.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell F32 delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In the NPHDV (New Pauline (Penknife) Hyper-Dispensationalist (sensitive) Version) this last verse really says, "Rev 20:15 Since no one was found written in the book of life . . .boy . . .all of them were cast into the lake of fire with Govett, Faust, Evans, Newman, and all those other LYING APOSTATE IDIOT MULLETHEAD TIGHT-DRAWERED SOPRANO TEXAS FOOLS 'cause Paul told me so (but not in the book of Hebrews.)." [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]You spoke doctrinally, so let's see what you said.

It's good you can see the CASTING INTO HELL occurs at the POSTTRIBULATIONAL coming. It is a CASTING of PRESENTLY LIVING, not dead in every passage. (Matt.5,7,8,13,18,22,25) The LIVING are REWARDED "before" the DEAD in the gospels. (The LAST shall be FIRST.) Matt.19,20. Also see Rev.20:1-6 for John's confirmation.

Of course Paul NEVER SPOKE of any "casting" into hell posttribulationally OF ANYONE. HE TAUGHT a PRETRIBULATION COMING OF THE LORD, with a judgment BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, not posttribulationally. (1 Thess.5, 2 Thess.2, 2 Tim.4, Col.3)

Still being malicious, while manifesting the "fruit of the Spirit"?

Repetition of false ideas is how you BRAINWASH. Anyone that knows the Book can see your false diatribe.

Still LYING I see, while namecalling, and identifying an INDEPENDENT BAPTIST PREACHER as a hyperdispensationalist. You're just as ignorant of the term, as you are the Bible.

You use it due to your MALICE. Oops. (Gal.5!)

 

It seems that your justifications for ignoring the conditional warnings of not entering the kingdom are based on your ignoring the conditional warnings of going through the tribulation. There is no pre-trib judgment shown in any of those scriptures, other than the provisional judgment of whether a Christian is worthy to escape the tribulation or not. The judgment seat of Christ occurs when ALL the Christians are gathered, including the ones who are gathered out of the tribulation or martyred in the tribulation.

 

Revelation 20:1-6
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


I'm sure these "living" rest-of-he-dead will be very confused. As will be the "living" beheaded martyrs were when they were rewarded.

The first fruit rapture is conditional. Luke 21:36,

There are also several mid-trib conditional catching aways. Rev 11:11, Rev 20:4.

The last trump is the last trump. It signals the second coming and silmultaneous resurrection of the saved. 1 Cor 15, Rev 11:15.



Matt 13:39 says the harvest is the end of the world. Lev 23 explains how a harvest works. I grew up on a combine. Guess what? The Bible is right.

When you do it it's ordained by the apostle Paul himself. When I do it, it's malicious. The funniest thing (in a sad way) is that you are so hard inside, you can't see it.

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I'm sorry brother, I tried but I still don't see it.

Still LYING I see, while namecalling, and identifying an INDEPENDENT BAPTIST PREACHER as a Calvanist. You're just as ignorant of the term, as you are the Bible. . . son.

Malice Schmalice. You're just like many of the rest when they run out of arguments. You start with the caustic canon of cuckoos and bellow your bazooka of bile using your always annoying alliterations and rotten ruckmanian rhetoric.

-Lacy (the ignorant malicious, zero point Calvanist son/boy who can dish it out and take it.)

 

All opinionated talk with no verses doesn’t hold my attention.

Ah, so now you’re going to reveal a “few more” of your heretical thoughts.

CONDITIONAL WARNINGS OF GOING THROUGH THE TRIBULATION?

The body of Christ doesn’t go through the tribulation. Paul taught a pretrib gathering of the BODY. (1 Thess.1,4-5, 2 Thess.2) We are delivered from the wrath to come, which is the GREAT TRIBULATION. (Matt.3, 24, Luke 3, 24, 1 Thess.1) We are gathered on the day of Christ, WITHOUT ENTRANCE into the day of the Lord. (1 Thess.5) That day is the TIME OF THE WOMAN IN TRAVAIL, which is the time of Jacob’s trouble, the great tribulation. (Jer.30, 1 Thess.5, Matt.24)

Paul taught a JUDGMENT of the Lord at the APPEARING of the Lord Jesus ON THE DAY OF CHRIST, which was pretribulationally. At that time, REWARDS would be given. (2 Tim.4, 2 Thess.2, Phil.1-2, 1 Thess.2) The DAY of 1 Cor.3 is the DAY OF CHRIST, not the day of the Lord.

The judgment seat of Christ is a PAULINE TERM, referring ONLY to the body of Christ IN HEAVEN, where rewards are given AFTER glorification. (2 Tim.4, 1 Thess.4, 1 Cor.15, Col.3, Phil.3, 1 Cor.3)

More unscriptural, non-biblical teachings?

Tribulation saints ARE NOT members of the body of Christ. They were gathered BEFORE it. (1 Thess.1)

Saints in the tribulation consist of Moses and Elijah (Rev.11), his servants the prophets, the 144,000 Jews (Rev.7,14), the woman in the wilderness and the people of the saints of the Most High (Jews, Rev.12, 14, Dan.7), and those which FEAR God. (Gentiles, Rev.14)

Brother, you don’t have the “foggiest” idea of that which you speak.

 

I see you made an "A" in Pop Eschatology 101 and also in Hal Lindsay 101. Great job! Now the next class in Local Church Seminary should be "Think For Yourself" 202!

It's not your fault. It's just that you aren't there yet. I used to believe the exact same way. I used to just parrot everything I read. Sooner or later you start testing all those theories and their holes.

Lacy

 

Revelation 20:1-6
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


I'm sure these "living" rest-of-he-dead will be very confused. As will be the "living" beheaded martyrs were when they were rewarded.

The first fruit rapture is conditional. Luke 21:36,

There are also several mid-trib conditional catching aways. Rev 11:11, Rev 20:4.

The last trump is the last trump. It signals the second coming and silmultaneous resurrection of the saved. 1 Cor 15, Rev 11:15.



Matt 13:39 says the harvest is the end of the world. Lev 23 explains how a harvest works. I grew up on a combine. Guess what? The Bible is right.

When you do it it's ordained by the apostle Paul himself. When I do it, it's malicious. The funniest thing (in a sad way) is that you are so hard inside, you can't see it.

Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline
Pauline Pauline Pauline Pauline
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I'm sorry brother, I tried but I still don't see it.

Still LYING I see, while namecalling, and identifying an INDEPENDENT BAPTIST PREACHER as a Calvanist. You're just as ignorant of the term, as you are the Bible. . . son.

Malice Schmalice. You're just like many of the rest when they run out of arguments. You start with the caustic canon of cuckoos and bellow your bazooka of bile using your always annoying alliterations and rotten ruckmanian rhetoric.

-Lacy (the ignorant malicious, zero point Calvanist son/boy who can dish it out and take it.) </font>[/QUOTE]I pity those you teach. Can you read Lacy? Can you follow your own ARGUMENTS in conversation?

The references to the LIVING were found in MATTHEW. I gave the chapters. THE CASTING INTO HELL (which is what we were speaking about) concerned the LIVING in those passages.

Nobody is CAST INTO HELL in Rev.20:1-6, bud. The LIVING are sitting on the thrones PREVIOUS to the resurrection of the dead martyrs. (THE CASTING HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE WITH LIVING REWARDS GIVEN.) You “evaded” all the texts of the LIVING rewarded before the DEAD. (The last shall be first!)

You can’t tell time Lacy. The MYSTERY OF THE RAPTURE was given to Paul, not Luke. (1 Cor.15) It was REVEALED through appearances of the LORD FROM HEAVEN unto Paul (1 Cor.15) , NOT BY THE LORD on earth. (Acts 26)

Several midtrib catching aways?

Good grief son. The passages in Rev.11 and 20 don’t speak of MIDTRIB raptures. There is no MIDTRIB rapture. There is a MIDWEEK rapture of the body of Christ. (2 Thess.2) The tribulation BEGINS at the midst of Daniel’s week, according to both prooftexts. (Matt.24, Mark. 13)

You, as every Posttribulationist alive, CONFOUNDS Paul’s verse with John’s verse. LAST IS NOT SEVENTH, no more than water (John 3) is baptism. (Rom.6)

There’s NO RESURRECTION at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. The resurrection occurs AFTER THE LORD has killed the beast. (Rev.19-20, Dan.12)

Did you fall off very many times? I certainly know that there are THREE SEASONS of resurrection. Paul’s resurrection concerns a MYSTERY.

The resurrection which Paul speaks concerns the dead OF THE BODY OF CHRIST (1 Cor.12, 15, 1 Thes.4), which doesn’t include OT saints, nor tribulation saints.

The Bible certainly is always right, and it always proves that you are wrong.

Your “paltry” pious pretense did you in. You turned out to be the HYPOCRITE, which I demonstrated you to be AFTER attacking me. Now, you continue to do so. That’s fine with me, kid. I don’t whine. I deal with duds all the time like you

Your spirituality is as evident as your slander.

 

I see you made an "A" in Pop Eschatology 101 and also in Hal Lindsay 101. Great job! Now the next class in Local Church Seminary should be "Think For Yourself" 202!

It's not your fault. It's just that you aren't there yet. I used to believe the exact same way. I used to just parrot everything I read. Sooner or later you start testing all those theories and their holes.

Lacy </font>[/QUOTE]You poor child. You don't even know anything about me. If you did, you'd KNOW my eschatology was different than any of the people you mentioned.

I don't parrot anyone, including the Doc. I SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES and demonstrate the STUPIDITY of others, as I have yours. That's what drives you boys nuts.

Tootleloo Texas teacake. (I'll call you that in lieu of being called a hyper. Sounds fair to me.)

I've got other things to do. Get some more of those doctrinal statements ready though. I love them.

Good day.

 

Person.
Hal is a person, not a people. Perhaps you do have some significant differences with his eschatology . . .I'm sure you have enough differences to feel justified in calling him "stupid", "heretic", "boy", etc.. like you do anybody else with an idea that you disagree with.

Oh my goodness! You are Tucan Peter. Have you read his work lately and compared it to your own? You need a new schtic. That one is taken by a tough 82 year old geezer with enough sense to watch who he calls "boy".

You only search about three or four books in the Bible and the others you cut out, lop off and ignore. We'll see who it drives nuts when we are judged according to Rev 22:18,19. (John wrote that too!)

Adios Alabama . . .er . . .alliterater. (I'll call you that in lieu of being called a Calvinist. Sounds fair to me.)

What could you possibly have to do, Preacher , that is more important than this wonderfully sophomoric banter with an eight grade teacher, who hears better sarcasm than anything you have dished out, every day in his classroom.

I'm surprised we didn't get into mama-so-fat jokes. You would lose.

Come on back when you learn to speak to blood bought brothers. Or else when you stop getting your feelings flustered when folks have fun flinging a full plate of your slop right back atcha.


Love, Lacy

 

Person.
Hal is a person, not a people. Perhaps you do have some significant differences with his eschatology . . .I'm sure you have enough differences to feel justified in calling him "stupid", "heretic", "boy", etc.. like you do anybody else with an idea that you disagree with.

Oh my goodness! You are Tucan Peter. Have you read his work lately and compared it to your own? You need a new schtic. That one is taken by a tough 82 year old geezer with enough sense to watch who he calls "boy".

You only search about three or four books in the Bible and the others you cut out, lop off and ignore. We'll see who it drives nuts when we are judged according to Rev 22:18,19. (John wrote that too!)

Adios Alabama . . .er . . .alliterater. (I'll call you that in lieu of being called a Calvinist. Sounds fair to me.)

What could you possibly have to do, Preacher , that is more important than this wonderfully sophomoric banter with an eight grade teacher, who hears better sarcasm than anything you have dished out, every day in his classroom.

I'm surprised we didn't get into mama-so-fat jokes. You would lose.

Come on back when you learn to speak to blood bought brothers. Or else when you stop getting your feelings flustered when folks have fun flinging a full plate of your slop right back atcha.


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What a "wavering unstable" mind. And there goes those lies again. (Just 3 or 4?) Man, I must quit reading Deuteronomy.

Whine and spout INSTEAD of pointing to and expositing the verses concerning your subject.

You forget, that I know more about your teaching, than you know about mine.

You were called, teacake.

Some BLOOD BOUGHT BROTHERS teach heresy and are SPOKEN to "differently" than OTHERS. (Acts 15, Gal.2, 2 Tim.2, 1 Tim.1, Titus 1)

You "forget" that.

Oh, thanks for asking where I'm going. It's my wife's birthday, and we're going out to eat. Wish I was in Texas with you now, for I'd like some "real" Mexican food. Hey, I'd even let you go along with us. Ain't that brotherly?

Bye, bye, got to go.

 

DeaconLew,

I despise “judges of evil thoughts” who aren’t impartial, as James points out. (James 2) Undoubtedly, you DON’T ALLOW your kids to hang around with your “buddies”. You know the “SpongeBob” ones, which are MANIFESTED on this thread, which you didn’t mention. Typical. I personally like the “Rugrats”.

Deacon, you should be a Christian comedian. After giving your pious nonsense concerning children, you wind up simply with a JUDGMENT of heresy (without dealing with any scriptures, MERELY mindspeak).

Foaming shame, wandering without stability? UNCHRISTLIKE and deplorable behaviour? When you quote Pauline verses, you have CONDEMNED your own self, kid.

You boys REJECT verses every which way you turn. The unlearned and unstable ARE THOSE who reject Pauline teachings. (2 Peter 3) You see those verses? That’s you. Christ JESUS and Paul IDENTIFIED heresy and those who taught it BY “unChristlike” behaviour as you call it! You didn’t READ the verses. (Matt.15, 23, John 8, 2 Tim.2, Titus 1, 2 Cor.11, etc.) Simply, you don’t know what you’re spouting about. Don’t give us this pious drivel, when you are show no signs of IMPARTIALITY. If you did, YOU WOULD CORRECT YOUR BUDDIES, son. I correct mine when they are wrong.

Let’s see what you’re going to teach today. I always pay attention when heretical doctrine is being taught, as yours, so that I can PRODUCE THE VERSES from the Book which defeat the lie.

Your whole post reeks of REJECTION of Pauline dispensational truth, which concerns the falling away of the last days. (2 Thess.2, 2 Tim.4) The Bible DOES NOT TEACH salvation by grace through faith THROUGHOUT HISTORY. Righteousness was once obtained by FAITH AND WORKS, according to Pauline statement BEFORE GRACE showed up. (Rom.11) It will be AGAIN in the future. (Rev.12, 14, 22)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without FAITH. (Heb.11) Justification under the OT and the Mosaic Covenant came by WORKS. (James 2, Heb.11)

Grace showed up HISTORICALLY under the Pauline revelation. (1 Tim.1, Rom.16, Titus 1, 2 Tim.1, Rom.1,3,11, Gal.2-3, Col.1, Eph.1-3)

That covers 1,2, and 3.

No. 4 is heretical.

The new birth is a revelation concerning the NT. No one was born again before Pentecost. (John 3, 7, Acts 1-2, 10)

The SIN OF THE WORLD has been taken away. (2 Cor.5, Col.1) You don’t know what you’re talking about.

I am DEAD TO SIN. (Rom.6-8) My sins have been taken away. You didn’t GET what Paul said. I have the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Jesus Christ NOW. (Rom.4) The Lord does NOT impute sin unto me anymore fellow. That’s what you don’t understand. I AM NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE. Sin is not imputed when there is no law! (Rom.5)

I will be DELIVERED from the body of this death in the future. That is at the GATHERING. (1 Thess.1, 4-5, 1 Cor.15)

The verses of No. 5 are taught dispensationally, which YOU HAVE REJECTED, due to your false belief. I teach them just like they are written. All of them are spoken and written to the nation of Israel, who are Hebrews, which are Jews. There are BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS within the nation of Israel, which account for the warnings. None of them are ignored by myself. No GRACE certainly does not MINGLE with WORKS. That’s
what I’m trying to get YOU to see by Pauline doctrinal teaching. (Rom.11) You have confused SALVATION BY WORKS which is a biblical truth, as WARNINGS to the members of the body of Christ, when they are given to the nation of Israel. The members of the body of Christ HAVE the sealing of the Spirit, but the children of Israel did not within the gospels, or WILL NOT during the time of tribulation. They have to manifest FAITH AND WORKS. Only one will not do! Both have to be there. (Matt.7, they had no faith, Matt.24, they had no works.) Both had BELIEVED at one time.

The IDEAS of No. 6 are heretical.

Our concern is given in Titus 2:11-15. Due to your “belief”, you have confounded the WORLD TO COME (the time of the Jewish resurrection and earthy kingdom, Luke 20, 1-2) with OUR INHERITANCE of the kingdom of God. (1 Cor.15) They are not the same. We will be “changed” and PUT INTO A HEAVENLY KINGDOM, which now contains angels. (Col.1, Eph.1-2, 2 Tim.4)

Our inheritance is GUARANTEED through GRACE, not works. (Rom.5, Eph.1)

Our works will give us the REWARD of the inheritance. (Col.3:24) We will have a JOINT-REIGN with Christ upon our suffering for him.

My only concern of the LAST DAY is the time, when we shall JUDGE angels. (1 Cor.6, Jude, Rev.20)

We are raised LONG BEFORE the last day, for we are raised BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, and the last day concerns the RESURRECTION after the tribulation before the MILLENNIAL reign. (1 Thess.1, 4-5, 2 Thess.2, Rev.20) By the way, it’s the LAST DAY of the 1335 days. (Dan.12)

No. 7 has been spoken about. The world to come concerns the JEWISH RESURRECTION, which is the HOPE OF ISRAEL. (Acts 24, 28) His kingdom will last forever. The MILLENNIAL reward is only spoken about in the book of Revelation. (Rev.20) It is given to those who went through the great tribulation, and the ISRAEL OF GOD, who are JEWS of the body of Christ, which BELIEVED ON HIM, when he first came. (Gal.6, Rom.9-11, Heb.2,12, Rev.1) Paul was the FIRST in the pattern. (1 Tim.1)

Now brother, I”ve got no questions for you. I’ve got the ANSWERS to your heretical teachings. They come from the Holy Scriptures, rightly divided.

I honestly hope that your handle (DeaconLew) is not an actual title within the local church. If it is, I feel sorry for the members. You know absolutely NOTHING about Pauline doctrinal teaching which is stated to be a NECCESSITY for such office.

1 Timothy 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

1 Timothy 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1 Timothy 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

Now you can go around slandering me all you want. I expect that from false teachers. I will certainly IDENTIFY you and your heresy, while giving the verses to document my JUDGMENT of you. The Lord Jesus Christ and Paul IDENTIFIED the ignorance, illiteracy, incompetence, irrationality, and infidelity of those who REJECTED the words of God. If you don’t believe that, just REREAD the gospels and the epistles PAYING ATTENTION to them this time.

You call it (foaming shame, unstability, unChristlike!?)

Good day.

Speaking the truth in love,
Carl

 

John 3:3-5
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 13:28-29
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

If no one was born again before pentecost, how will Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets be in the kingdom of God, which kingdom no man can see, let alone enter, without being born again?

I know, I know, Pauline blah blah blah. Heretic blah blah blah.

 

No, I'll quote the Lord Jesus this time.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Well, well, he wasn't given DURING THE OT.

You boys NEVER look at the prooftexts that are given. It's so easy for the HOLY SPIRIT to "stump" you.

Under the law, the Holy Spirit DID NOT INDWELL everyone. (Num.11) The Holy Spirit COME UPON and COULD LEAVE YOU (See Saul, Samson) UNLIKE today. (John 14, Rom.8)

Abraham HAS a promise of the LAND INHERITANCE, which the Lord WILL FULFILL. (Acts 7, Heb.11)
The kingdom of God has an EARTHLY ASPECT and HEAVENLY ASPECT.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

See John 3 again, son. You missed it.

 

You gave Matt.5,7,8,13,18,22,25. You want me to write a commentary on Matthew here on the BB?

I'll deal specifically with one, Matt 5. Christ is directly addresseng his DISCIPLES! He warns THEM! They are warned of Hell and prison (Synonymous terms.) "Till" implies that it is temporary. Nowhere in the passage (or any other)does it say, they will be cast in alive. You made that up.

It says "both body and soul". I suppose that could mean alive. There is no NT example of a person being cast into Hell alive. I'm pretty sure the fires of the underworld would annhilate a natural body. The obvious answer is that it is a resurrected body. Who has a resurrected body before the GWT? Only Christians. This warning cannot apply to anyone else.

Who do you believe is cast bodily (alive)in to Hell after the trib? You are saying that they pluck out eyes and cut off hands to get saved? How can they get saved that way? Those poor "Jews in the trib" (or whoever) haven't got a snowballs chance in the LOF if that's how. (John 14:6)

If you are referring to those raptured out then I agree. Rapture verses have warnings (watch, be ready, etc.)attached to them. They don't say, "relax because you are saved".

But what about those who don't watch and pray that they are accounted worthy to escape. THEY DON"T ESCAPE. Again, nobody ever gets saved by watching and praying. These warnings are directed toward the saved.

Wheat gets harvested when it is ripe. (1 Cor 15:23)

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That is certainly an elaborate scheme you have in order to wriggle out from under the Lords CLEAR teaching. The context (Luke 21) was the trib. Christ said if we watch and pray, we might be accounted worthy to escape all these things. The pre-trib, conditional rapture may not fit into your "pauline thingy" but it is plainly taught in the Bible.

You are so stuck on the Darby/Scofield notion of "The" rapture that you cannot see more than one event. The "rapture" is like a harvest. Christ the first fruits. (Single sheaf-no leaven), First fruits (pre-trib, mid-tribs -which would include mid-week)two cakes offered with leaven, General Harvest - Resurrection at second coming (see below), Gleanings, those saved after the general resurrection (possibly those in natural bodies during the Kingdom - Is 65:20)

Still LYING I see, while namecalling, and identifying an INDEPENDENT BAPTIST PREACHER as a Posttribulationist. You're just as ignorant of the term, as you are the Bible.

I am not only post-trib, I am also mid and pre-trib. You see I might know more about your position that you do mine.

This is going to be very difficult so pay attention: There are seven trumpets sounded in the Trib. The first is not the last because there is a second. The second is not the last because there is a third. The third is not the last because there is a fourth.(If you need me to cover the rest let me know I'll PM you.) But when we get to the seventh, an amazing thing happens. The seventh is the last because there is NO EIGHTH! Most PCs have a calculator function under "accessories" if you need to check my math.

You are right. I don't understand your position. You just confused me. You said on another post: "The body of Christ doesn't go through the tribulation. Paul taught a pretrib gathering of the BODY. (1 Thess.1,4-5, 2 Thess.2) We are delivered from the wrath to come, which is the GREAT TRIBULATION."
1 Thess clearly teaches a resurrection and subsequent rapture.(4:16,17) So how do you reconcile the two statements.? No beast in the Great Trib?

Rev 11:15 clearly shows that the 7th Trump signals the coming of the Kingdom.

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Hogwash. Those chapters say no such thing. It is conjecture based on your hyper-but-I-can't-call-it-that-or-you-get-bent, cut-n-paste scheme.

If what I did was an "attack", then what you do on your website and (to a lesser degree here where there are moderators) here is a full out atomic obliteration.

You don't whine? Dude! You could be the star of Disney's new animated feature, "The Whine King". Something Mama used to say about motes (Jerk!) and beams (Fool, Moron, Idiot, Mullethead, Boy, Son, Liar, Hypocrite, Apostate, etc!)

Black Pot!!!!Black Kettle!!!Black Pot!!!!Black Kettle!!!Black Pot!!!!Black Kettle!!!Black Pot!!!!Black Kettle!!!Black Pot!!!!Black Kettle!!!


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Deacon,

Son, go back to school. Paul doesn’t state in 2 Cor.13:5 that JESUS CHRIST can leave you. (The Holy Spirit IS NOT Jesus Christ, personally.) The Spirit of Christ is the HOLY SPIRIT. (See Rom.8)

The examination concerns whether or not JESUS CHRIST was ever in them. Did they BELIEVE the gospel? (1 Cor.15) Did they RECEIVE the grace of God in vain? (2 Cor.6)

You still can’t get the Pauline doctrine of IMPUTATION, can you? MY SINS ARE NOT IMPUTED UNTO ME ANYMORE. I AM NOT UNDER THE LAW. I will be judged for the THINGS done in my bad, whether they be good or bad.

Hint. It’s called the SURE MERCIES OF DAVID. (Acts 13, Psalm 89, Isaiah 55, Rom.4) David wasn’t KILLED, when he should have been.

Hebrews 6 does NOT refer to the BODY OF CHRIST, but HEBREWS within a nation, which contains BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS. (Heb.6,10)

Supposedly written to Jews? All anyone has to do is READ to whom he’s speaking.

Filthy doctrine? Oh, you’re going to get NASTY now. Good. Get mad. PAUL SAID TO! (Eph. 4:26) Just don’t go to bed MAD son. I don’t. I am laughing about the BIBLICAL INCOMPETENCE of you bible bunglers.

Why you poor man. So you’re going to make EVERY BELIEVER THROUGH TIME part of the body of Christ, now? The nation of Israel is NOT the body of Christ, for they are NOT SAVED NOW. (Rom.10) They WILL BE SAVED though! (Rom.11) You’re pitiful Deak.

The Lord, BY HIS OWN TESTIMONY, declared his ministry was to the NATION OF ISRAEL. (Matt.10, 15) It was CORROBORATED by Paul. (Rom.15) His doctrinal teachings were for JEWS and the Gentile nations within the time of Daniel’s week. (Matt.7,13,22,24,25)

Why you poor man. Of course I believe 2 Tim.3:16, just like I believe 2 Tim.2:15 BEFORE it. You don’t believe ALL SCRIPTURE is doctrinally for you NOW. Don’t lie and tell me that you do. (Of course, you might; adding to the rest of your heresies.)

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The Kingdom of God/Heaven is our inheritance. There is no kingdom anywhere else with respect to the millenium that is anywere but on earth remember (Jesus who Paul agreed with) said "upon the throne of David."

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Are you insane? What king of an ignorant statement is that?

THERE IS A HEAVENLY KINGDOM. (2 Tim.4, Rev.12) It comes at the MIDST OF THE WEEK, when Jesus Christ ASSUMES it “in heaven” AFTER Satan has been cast out! You must have forgot the Lord’s gospel teaching! (Luke 19) HE GOT THE KINGDOM IN HEAVEN BEFORE HE RETURNED!

The MESSIAH THE PRINCE will BEGIN HIS REIGN in heaven! (Psalm 2, Rev.12, Dan.7,9) It is before the MILLENIAL KINGDOM on earth!

The kingdom of heaven is NOT the kingdom of God. You are BORN into the kingdom of God by the HOLY SPIRIT, which is a SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING of SPIRITUAL THINGS. (1 Cor.2, 2 Cor.5, John 3, Eph.1) You can walk into the kingdom WITHOUT being born again! (The Gentile nations do in Matt.25.)

Uncharitable? Me? BECAUSE I POINT OUT YOUR incompetence, “errors” and INFIDELITY and you don’t care for it?

Nah! Just “simply” doing my job. (1 Tim.1, 2 Tim.2, Titus 1, 2)

Charity rejoiceth in the truth. (1 Cor.13)

In Christ Jesus,
Carl