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Any here hold to Mid Tribulation view, and could that be Church leaving when 2 Witnesses are raised back up?

Charlie24

Active Member
Could the church be rising up with the 2 witnesses who died and were raised up again?

I won't rule out the mid-trib view, but I believe the Church is taken out before the events of Revelation begin to unfold as Rev. 4:1-2 represents.

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."
 

Charlie24

Active Member
I won't rule out the mid-trib view, but I believe the Church is taken out before the events of Revelation begin to unfold as Rev. 4:1-2 represents.

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

The "things that must be hereafter" is after the the rapture of the Church. The anti-Christ is ready to make his bid for the world.
 

Hazelelponi

Member
Could the church be rising up with the 2 witnesses who died and were raised up again?

The church is one of the two witnesses.

It is we who are killed and are raised back up again.

Remember what Paul noted from the Psalms:

As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered" Romans 8:36
 
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JesusFan

Well-Known Member
The church is one of the two witnesses.

It is we who are killed and are raised back up again.

Remember what Paul noted from the Psalms:

As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered" Romans 8:36
So you would hold to either a post trib view or Amil one?
 

37818

Well-Known Member
Revelation 11:4, These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zachariah 4:14, Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

2 Peter 1:16-,18.

Matthew 16:28, Matthew 17:1-9.
 

Hazelelponi

Member
Personally, I'm going to really enjoy the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.

I already am enjoying it... Sorry if you happen to be on the other side of the gulf, (though I doubt you really are, your just not seeing what's before you)

I have been given a heart of flesh and a right mind. I have also been given the Holy Spirit as my new voice of conscience and who just loves to bring to mind the words of God we read in the Scriptures.

I have been baptized into a new family of God and live under mighty blessings every single day.

It's awesome to look at History and see the March of the Kingdom going forward. It's awesome to live in such a changed world, a world with unwalled cities..

Though not all are in Christ Jesus, since 40 AD confessing Christians have from just a few to over 2 billion - more than 6 times the number of people living on the face of the earth when Christ took the full wrath of God upon Himself in our stead for our sins.

The world I live in is a world entirely changed due to one Perfect Man, God wrapped in Flesh, dying on that cross.

I might be a right winger perfectly content to debate left wingers, even in the strongest terms, but it doesn't mean the world I live in isn't absolutely amazing...

Though I live in this fallen world , I still live in the Kingdom, and through God's chosen people the true Kingdom goes forward, through the Holy Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit.

Nothing can separate us from the love of God. Nothing... Read Romans 8 again.

The only thing after this is eternity... And eternity looks amazing indeed...I'm definitely looking forward to it.

But don't think for a minute people who were looking forward to the Kingdom of God on the earth, if we transported them through time into our lives and homes, that they wouldn't think this was heaven on earth... I'm positive people like Paul and Abraham would think this was totally cool...

The Kingdom marches forward, one saved soul at a time. No worries God has all of this in Hand.

We are in the already and not yet .. the not yet part will be the eternal state.
 
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xlsdraw

Well-Known Member
I already am enjoying it... Sorry if you happen to be on the other side of the gulf, (though I doubt you really are, your just not seeing what's before you)

I have been given a heart of flesh and a right mind. I have also been given the Holy Spirit as my new voice of conscience and who just loves to bring to mind the words of God we read in the Scriptures.

I have been baptized into a new family of God and live under mighty blessings every single day.

It's awesome to look at History and see the March of the Kingdom going forward. It's awesome to live in such a changed world, a world with unwalled cities..

Though not all are in Christ Jesus, since 40 AD confessing Christians have from just a few to over 2 billion - more than 6 times the number of people living on the face of the earth when Christ took the full wrath of God upon Himself in our stead for our sins.

The world I live in is a world entirely changed due to one Perfect Man, God wrapped in Flesh, dying on that cross.

I might be a right winger perfectly content to debate left wingers, even in the strongest terms, but it doesn't mean the world I live in isn't absolutely amazing...

Though I live in this fallen world , I still live in the Kingdom, and through God's chosen people the true Kingdom goes forward, through the Holy Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit.

Nothing can separate us from the love of God. Nothing... Read Romans 8 again.

The only thing after this is eternity... And eternity looks amazing indeed...I'm definitely looking forward to it.

But don't think for a minute people who were looking forward to the Kingdom of God on the earth, if we transported them through time into our lives and homes, that they wouldn't think this was heaven on earth... I'm positive people like Paul and Abraham would think this was totally cool...

The Kingdom marches forward, one saved soul at a time. No worries God has all of this in Hand.

We are in the already and not yet .. the not yet part will be the eternal state.

Baloney
 
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