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Foreknowledge/Remembrance Cont.

Aaron

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@Van said:
If God has no knowledge, then Omniscience refers to God knowing all He has chosen to know and not knowing what He has chosen not to know. Therefore you are supporting, inadvertently, the God of scripture. The silly claim if God removes His memory of our sins, that requires that He remove our memory of those same sins, is false. Recall Paul thought of himself as "chief among sinners" (1 Timothy 1:15)

The Father to the Son: Hey, Son, what's with those marks in your hands and feet?

The Son: Don't you remember?
 

Van

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@Van said:


The Father to the Son: Hey, Son, what's with those marks in your hands and feet?

The Son: Don't you remember?
Typical misrepresentation, the hallmark of false teaching.

The "no knowledge" refers to knowledge God has chosen not to know, not to the immeasurable knowledge He does not.

To remind readers, the actual topic is the meaning of the Greek noun translated"foreknowledge" (and the related Greek verb translated foreknow).

If you study all the places these two Greek words appear in scripture, the meaning is clear, knowledge acquired or formulated in the past is being unitized in the present. For example God's predetermined plan to deliver over Jesus Christ, was implemented according to the foreknowledge of God.

All the discussion about how foreknowledge indicates God has fixed the future by foreseeing it is nonsense.
 

Aaron

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The Son: These must be the marks I received for the sins of the people who aren't forgiven...the sins you remember and for which they're now suffering your wrath and indignation.

The Father: Oh...well...yeah...sorry about that. It seems you suffered for nothing.
 

Van

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The Son: These must be the marks I received for the sins of the people who aren't forgiven...the sins you remember and for which they're now suffering your wrath and indignation.

The Father: Oh...well...yeah...sorry about that. It seems you suffered for nothing.
God can choose not to know the sins He has forgiven. Thus God a God that must know everything imaginable, is not the God of the Bible.

To foreknow, means to know something about whatever is foreknown. God knew before creation, that His Redeemer would redeem believers whose faith God would credit as righteousness. There are the "whom He foreknew."
 

JesusFan

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God can choose not to know the sins He has forgiven. Thus God a God that must know everything imaginable, is not the God of the Bible.

To foreknow, means to know something about whatever is foreknown. God knew before creation, that His Redeemer would redeem believers whose faith God would credit as righteousness. There are the "whom He foreknew."
There are things not even God can do, as they would be against His very nature and attributes, and so He literally cannot force Himself to not know or to not remember
 

JesusFan

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@Van said:


The Father to the Son: Hey, Son, what's with those marks in your hands and feet?

The Son: Don't you remember?
The Trinity discussing the end times events,,,

They get into now not sure if all things will come to pass as prophesied, as they have now forgotten certain things in the future
 

Van

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There are things not even God can do, as they would be against His very nature and attributes, and so He literally cannot force Himself to not know or to not remember
The claim God cannot "remember no more forever" nullifies what God's inspired word says, using a made up claim that God "could not"
dis-remember.

Just another false claim by those who pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe, creating their own god.
 

Van

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To return to topic.

Foreknow (verb) and Foreknowledge (noun) are translations of Greek words that mean prior knowledge is being,or could be, used in the present.

For example Christ was delivered over by the predetermined plan (the prior knowledge) according to the foreknowledge (God implementing the plan) of God. Acts 2:23

Two issues are in play on this thread, (1) some believe foreknowledge refers to knowledge of the future, and (2) some claim God must know everything about the future in order to be God. Both of these are studied unbiblical views. The Greek words actually refer to past and therefore prior knowledge being used in the present, and not to knowledge of the future. And, since several verses clearly indicate God can choose to know or not to know, the claim God must know everything is obviously bogus.
 

JesusFan

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God attribute
To return to topic.

Foreknow (verb) and Foreknowledge (noun) are translations of Greek words that mean prior knowledge is being,or could be, used in the present.

For example Christ was delivered over by the predetermined plan (the prior knowledge) according to the foreknowledge (God implementing the plan) of God. Acts 2:23

Two issues are in play on this thread, (1) some believe foreknowledge refers to knowledge of the future, and (2) some claim God must know everything about the future in order to be God. Both of these are studied unbiblical views. The Greek words actually refer to past and therefore prior knowledge being used in the present, and not to knowledge of the future. And, since several verses clearly indicate God can choose to know or not to know, the claim God must know everything is obviously bogus.
The Attribute of God known as Omniscience requires Him to have exhaustive knowledge, as He would know all things that happened period, as well as what could have happened period
 

Van

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God attribute

The Attribute of God known as Omniscience requires Him to have exhaustive knowledge, as He would know all things that happened period, as well as what could have happened period
To return to topic.
Foreknow (verb) and Foreknowledge (noun) are translations of Greek words that mean prior knowledge is being,or could be, used in the present.
For example Christ was delivered over by the predetermined plan (the prior knowledge) according to the foreknowledge (God implementing the plan) of God. Acts 2:23
Two issues are in play on this thread, (1) some believe foreknowledge refers to knowledge of the future, and (2) some claim God must know everything about the future in order to be God. Both of these are studied unbiblical views. The Greek words actually refer to past and therefore prior knowledge being used in the present, and not to knowledge of the future. And, since several verses clearly indicate God can choose to know or not to know, the claim God must know everything is obviously bogus.

The attribute of Omniscience, defined as "Inherit Omniscience" requires that God can know all things, but can also choose not to know some things such as our forgiven sins. God tested Abraham, and when Abraham passed the text, God said "Now I know..." indicating God had chosen not to know beforehand.
 

JesusFan

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To return to topic.
Foreknow (verb) and Foreknowledge (noun) are translations of Greek words that mean prior knowledge is being,or could be, used in the present.
For example Christ was delivered over by the predetermined plan (the prior knowledge) according to the foreknowledge (God implementing the plan) of God. Acts 2:23
Two issues are in play on this thread, (1) some believe foreknowledge refers to knowledge of the future, and (2) some claim God must know everything about the future in order to be God. Both of these are studied unbiblical views. The Greek words actually refer to past and therefore prior knowledge being used in the present, and not to knowledge of the future. And, since several verses clearly indicate God can choose to know or not to know, the claim God must know everything is obviously bogus.

The attribute of Omniscience, defined as "Inherit Omniscience" requires that God can know all things, but can also choose not to know some things such as our forgiven sins. God tested Abraham, and when Abraham passed the text, God said "Now I know..." indicating God had chosen not to know beforehand.
God fully know what Abraham would decide to do before he refused to sacrifice Isaac
 
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