The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Brightfame52 said:

I dont agree with your Christ dishonoring statement," the death of Christ saved no one" that blasphemy isnt written nowhere in scripture friend.

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And there we see it again BF, you do the same with what someone writes as you do with the word of God. You pull words out of context.

The death of Christ saved no one BF we are saved by His life. That is the message of the bible.

Rom_5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

It is right there in the text of the bible BF, are you still going to deny what the word of God says?

Brightfame52 said:

More speaking against the saving, reconciling death of Christ. Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They are saved, reconciled, accepted in the beloved, in Gods Favor. The word reconciled means:

καταλλάσσω:

1. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
2. to receive one into favour

To be in Gods favour is life and blessing Prov 8:35

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.

This is through and because of Christs death !

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BF again the verse you posted shows you are wrong. By your continued misuse of scripture you deny the truth's of God.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

We were reconciled to God by the death of Christ but we are saved by faith in the risen Christ.

You are so committed to your C/R philosophy that you will deny what the verses you post say.

You need to do more study of the OT. God giving blessings and life to the Jews in the OT was temporal not spiritual.
Deu 28:8 "The LORD will command the blessing on you in your storehouses and in all to which you set your hand, and He will bless you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.

Where are our spiritual blessings found BF?
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

We are to search the scripture to shows us the truths of God not to deny those truths. You work way to hard to deny what the word of God has told us.

God loves us and has provided the means for our salvation, faith in His risen son.

Silverhair said:

BF look at what you put in bold?

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Their faith in in the risen Christ BF. That is why one is saved.

Christ had to die to cover all of humanities sins and was raised for our justification through faith.

Rom_4:25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

You continue to read into the text what is not there BF. And you also continue to deny what is written there.

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Guess what ? I have read the bolded many many times, and Im convinced that Faith and believing in God are results of the redemptive Death of the Lamb, they were redeemed from a vain manner of life, meaning worthless false religion of judaism and given Faith in Christ. So the passage contradicts your Christ dishonoring views that His Death saved no one.

Silverhair said:

And there we see it again BF, you do the same with what someone writes as you do with the word of God. You pull words out of context.

The death of Christ saved no one BF we are saved by His life. That is the message of the bible.

Rom_5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

It is right there in the text of the bible BF, are you still going to deny what the word of God says?

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You have unashamedly made one of the most Christ dishonoring statements a professing christian can make about the Death of the Saviour. Is that what you around preaching as the good news Gospel. Hey, Christ died for your sins, but that didn't save you, isnt that good news ?

Brightfame52 said:

Guess what ? I have read the bolded many many times, and Im convinced that Faith and believing in God are results of the redemptive Death of the Lamb, they were redeemed from a vain manner of life, meaning worthless false religion of judaism and given Faith in Christ. So the passage contradicts your Christ dishonoring views that His Death saved no one.

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Be that as it may BF you are still denying the clear word of God.

Hold to your C/R philosophy all you want but do not say that you actually trust the word of God.

Silverhair said:

Be that as it may BF you are still denying the clear word of God.

Hold to your C/R philosophy all you want but do not say that you actually trust the word of God.

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You are saying the Death of Christ saved no one, what part of the word of God says that ?

Brightfame52 said:

You have unashamedly made one of the most Christ dishonoring statements a professing christian can make about the Death of the Saviour. Is that what you around preaching as the good news Gospel. Hey, Christ died for your sins, but that didn't save you, isnt that good news ?

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Christ did die for our sins BF, that is why all men can be saved.

What you fail to understand is that we are saved because we have believed in the risen Christ.

You are only teaching half of the gospel if you leave out the resurrection.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

You preach vs 3 and deny vs 4.

Brightfame52 said:

You are saying the Death of Christ saved no one, what part of the word of God says that ?

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1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

@Silverhair

Christ did die for our sins BF, that is why all men can be saved.

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Thats just as bad as saying, Christ death saved no one. Very Christ dishonoring.

Silverhair said:

1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

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You are saying the Death of Christ saved no one, what part of the word of God says that ?

Brightfame52 said:

@Silverhair



Thats just as bad as saying, Christ death saved no one. Very Christ dishonoring.

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Why do you keep denying what the Holy Spirit inspired BF.

1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

You keep giving me your opinion and you keep denying the clear scripture that I post.

So who do you think is really Christ dishonoring?

Brightfame52 said:

You are saying the Death of Christ saved no one, what part of the word of God says that ?

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1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise.

1Co 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

What part of those verses do you not understand BF?

I know you are not that dumb BF but you are stuck in that failed C/R philosophy.

This is the message, the gospel, that Paul preached

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

You have latched onto vs 3 and you deny vs 4 because it does not fit your man-made philosophy.

Paul and the other Apostles did not preach a dead Christ, as you do, but a risen Christ that could save those that freely trusted in Him.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You can make your silly claims all day long but until you start to actually trust the word of God you will continue to flounder.

You can either believe the word of God or you can continue to trust in your C/R philosophy but you can not do both.

Silverhair said:

Why do you keep denying what the Holy Spirit inspired BF.

1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

You keep giving me your opinion and you keep denying the clear scripture that I post.

So who do you think is really Christ dishonoring?

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When did I deny those verses ? I dont recall, however you have blatantly denied the saving death of Christ, saying it didnt save anyone. Why do you even call Jesus the Saviour ?

Silverhair said:

1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise.

1Co 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

What part of those verses do you not understand BF?

I know you are not that dumb BF but you are stuck in that failed C/R philosophy.

This is the message, the gospel, that Paul preached

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

You have latched onto vs 3 and you deny vs 4 because it does not fit your man-made philosophy.

Paul and the other Apostles did not preach a dead Christ, as you do, but a risen Christ that could save those that freely trusted in Him.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You can make your silly claims all day long but until you start to actually trust the word of God you will continue to flounder.

You can either believe the word of God or you can continue to trust in your C/R philosophy but you can not do both.

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Not one of those scriptures utter the blasphemy, Christs Death doesnt save anyone. Also 1 Cor 15:17 confirms that Jesus death saved them from sin, when He rose it was a testimony to the fact He put away their sins, and thats what God gave them Faith to believe. Now if He had not risen from the dead, your point would be valid, His death didn't put away their sins, however Faith was given since His Death took away their sins. Duh

Brightfame52 said:

When did I deny those verses ? I dont recall, however you have blatantly denied the saving death of Christ, saying it didnt save anyone. Why do you even call Jesus the Saviour ?

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You deny them when you read your failed philosophy into them BF.

His death did not save BF His life does.

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Do you see saved by His death in that text BF NO you do not you just read it into the text?

I call Him by savior because I trust in the risen Christ Jesus. The same Christ that was the propitiation for the sins of all humanity.

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you; unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

1Co 15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
1Co 15:18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

Brightfame52 said:

Not one of those scriptures utter the blasphemy, Christs Death doesnt save anyone. Also 1 Cor 15:17 confirms that Jesus death saved them from sin, when He rose it was a testimony to the fact He put away their sins, and thats what God gave them Faith to believe. Now if He had not risen from the dead, your point would be valid, His death didn't put away their sins, however Faith was given since His Death took away their sins. Duh

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God does not give people faith BF that is an error from the pagan philosophy you keep holding to.

Even the fact that Christ was raised does not save BF. We are only saved when we have trusted in Him. How can one that claims to have studied the bible for decades miss so much of what the bible says?

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

But since you keep saying that we are saved by the dead Christ on on the cross I am sure you have a clear scripture for that. Care to provide it.

@Silverhair

You deny them when you read your failed philosophy into them BF.

His death did not save BF His life does.

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False accusation

@Silverhair

God does not give people faith

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False teaching. God gives the Gift of believing on Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

The word given is aorist passive, and its the word charizomai:

to give graciously, give freely, bestow

And its also made from the word charis where we get the word grace, so believing is a gift given by grace

Brightfame52 said:

@Silverhair


False accusation

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1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Did you not say that "the whole world" meant only the elect?

Have you not denied all the scripture that shows we are saved by the risen Christ and insist that we are save by Christ on the cross?

So not a false accusation BF. You clearly deny the word of God and hold to that pagan philosophy from the 4th century.

Brightfame52 said:

@Silverhair



False teaching. God gives the Gift of believing on Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

The word given is aorist passive, and its the word charizomai:

to give graciously, give freely, bestow

And its also made from the word charis where we get the word grace, so believing is a gift given by grace

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When will you learn to read verses in context BF. You keep making the same silly mistakes when you ignore that.

Php 1:27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
Php 1:28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that from God.
Php 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Php 1:30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

These are already believes BF. They had seen and heard of the trials that Paul had gone through and he was writing to encourage them.
God is granting them the faith to withstand the various trials that they will face as Christians.

This is not faith to believe but continued faith to withstand.

I will say you do come up with some rather unique understand of words. You must have a vivid imagination.