Bring in the Youth But Not at the Expense of the Elderly

Revmitchell said:

When the church loses its respect for our older members because we cannot get our agenda through then we have lost sight of what a church is as a whole and the church is now a reproach. We need to remember that the word of God speaks favorably of our older generations (Pro 16:31). Maybe we need to spend as much time if not more trying to understand the older generation as we do running out and trying to understand the lost culture. If nowhere else, understanding ought to begin in the church first and foremost even if we “think” the older generation is not trying to understand anyone else.

We need to recognize that there is a vast difference between a generational gap and carnal minded Christians. The latter come in all sorts of stripes and colors and it is in error to assume the older generation is being carnal minded just because they do not immediately buy into what is new and presented as “culturally relevant”. This “cultural relevance” does more to divide people in our churches than anything else these days. We need to honor our older congregants just as much if not more than the world’s culture. Let’s get back to treating our older congregants with the love and respect they deserve.

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I think you have given a lot of wisdom in what you wrote. However I would tend to think that if a younger man is making disciples then he will continue to do that the rest of his life. I see the problem among many my age is they talk about retirement, their home, and health. What kind of a life is that to be born, work and die. Too many my age treat the church as a job they once did. Christ's church is more than just a building and work to maintain it but a living breathing organism of people trying to glorify God in all they do. Now that I am older I see things as even more urgent than ever. I meet with students whose parents are about ten years younger then me. I have not heard any of them complain about the help they are getting and following me in ministry. The times I ever hear complaints is when the older do not engage them in ministry and whatever they are doing. Young people want high quality leadership who are loving for Jesus not some kind of mediocre stand around and watch.

When I was much younger the man who got me started in business also led many others in making disciples. There were about 1200 at his funeral. Some of the businesses in town shut down for the funeral. Some of the city leaders were there. His wife told me that there were people there she did not know. The funeral lasted for about three hours with person after person who stood and told about how he impacted their life. I figured that about 1/4 to 1/3 of those who were doing ministry were there. So many are living for Christ missionaries and pastors today because of his life. Until he died at the age of 76 I got letters regularly from him asking about my spiritual life. Young peope were around him all the time. In that same church were people his age and younger who would complain about being neglected. I never heard that from him. He gave away 1/2 of his income. The funeral was paid for by a person he had built a home for and finished two weeks earlier. I had the privilege of living in his home for one year before I was married. Every day I think about his example to me of godliness and how he lived his life. He did not have time to spend on things that did not matter.

This summer at VBS we had at least three seniors postpone needed surgery to serve in VBS. Two were orthepedic surgery, one cancer.

Another is having serial surgery to repair internal problems....surgery every few weeks. She also served.

Seniors were out in force, as were younger workers.

Still, when one of those seniors stated she was now going to take time off for surgery the attitude was "God didn't give you the right to retire from serving Him."

My previous post (from as best as I remember a previous pastor) was this: not all seniors are blessed with robust health, and most face challenges younger folks have never imagined. Before you judge their level of service, consider that their abilities may have changed.

Oddly enough, the fastest growing Baptist church in our town isn't the culturally relevant one. Its the fundamentalist one that still does things in a way that might make you think of the 1930's. They point blank do not entrust serious decisions to the younger folks, but to the true elders.

Folks are getting saved and it is growing.

Maybe being culturally relevant isn't all its cracked up to be.

nodak said:

Still, when one of those seniors stated she was now going to take time off for surgery the attitude was "God didn't give you the right to retire from serving Him."

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Isn't that great for everyone to hear!!!!

Oddly enough, the fastest growing Baptist church in our town isn't the culturally relevant one. Its the fundamentalist one that still does things in a way that might make you think of the 1930's. They point blank do not entrust serious decisions to the younger folks, but to the true elders.

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A friend of mine pastors a church which is much the same way and it is growing like weeds. Christian Schwartz said that it is the ability of the church to love that determines its growth. Most anyone can listen to great music on TV and the radio so if that is all there is then why go to a church and listen a to a bunch of amateurs? Love is there.

Folks are getting saved and it is growing.

Maybe being culturally relevant isn't all its cracked up to be.

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When everything else is gone love never fails.

keremyilmaz79 said:

Gençleri kazanmak ama yaşlıları kaybetmemek konusu bana casino dünyasını hatırlatıyor. Casinolar hem genç oyunculara hem de deneyimli oyunculara hitap eden oyunlar sunarak herkesi memnun etmeye çalışıyor. Dengeyi bulmak her zaman önemlidir.

Bu dengeyi sunan casinolar arasında Big Bass Bonanza gibi mobil uyumlu slot oyunları sağlayan seçenekler öne çıkıyor. Eğlenceli teması ve her yaştan oyuncuya hitap eden yapısıyla kesinlikle denenmeli!

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You do need to translate this into English I am not sure what language you speak

Salty said:

You do need to translate this into English I am not sure what language you speak

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Big Bass Bonanza refers to either an online slot game or an annual fishing tournament held in Jefferson, Texas.

Salty said:

You do need to translate this into English I am not sure what language you speak

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I think it is Turkish.

Salty said:

You do need to translate this into English

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Here it is:

"The idea of winning the young but not losing the old reminds me of the casino world. Casinos try to please everyone by offering games that appeal to both young and experienced players. Finding the balance is always important.

Among the casinos that offer this balance, options that provide mobile-compatible slot games such as Big Bass Bonanza stand out. With its fun theme and structure that appeals to players of all ages, it should definitely be tried!"

Thank you Ken

Old thread that did not impact me 15 years ago. Our mission church was "family" oriented, small, and did nothing special for ANY age group.

Now I'm aged and gray and see the expanding Boomer population 65-80 are the MOST UNDERSERVED segment of society and in our churches. Most churches have focus on children, teens, young adults, even the unborn, but little or nothing for older.

Our musical love for traditional hymns and songs are replaced with 7-11 ditties. Powerful organ music is replaced with rock bands. Even a song leader is replaced by swaying "team" of mostly women. Our desire to learn the Word is overshadowed by the "felt needs" of society, with sermons on motivation or marriage counseling or political activism.

The only thing many churches want of us is our $$$. Attitude is "give now" and "set up the church in your will because you'll die soon anyway".

This topic hit a sore point with me.

What are your thoughts on churches that offer split services to address this issue?

For example, there is one larger Baptist church in the area that does this. The earlier service is the "Traditional" service. The pastor wears a coat and tie, the hymns are traditional hymns, etc. The message is delivered in a traditional style.

The 2nd service is the "modern" service. Music is contemporary, pastor removes his coat and tie to deliver this message and may use more modern style of preaching or examples. However, the scriptures and thrust of the message remain unchanged from the traditional service.

Granted - I think a church may need to be fairly large to be able to do this.

Hiloan said:

Programs and ministries aimed at bringing in youth are good, but I wonder if the elders are being overlooked. What's the situation in your church?

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Our church is very focused on the youth. The music tends towards the contemporary side and we are seeing g God do great things among our youth

The older generation is involved as well. The church looks towards them, but also involves them in the whole ministry. Older members meet weekly outside of church (at their home, coffee shops, etc) to mentor them and discuss how things are going.

Dr. Bob said:

Old thread that did not impact me 15 years ago.

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Didn't impact you 15 years ago?

There's a joke there, but I'll refrain. I know how grumpy you old guys can get.

Me 18 years ago v my pix now

justapewfiller said:

What are your thoughts on churches that offer split services to address this issue?

For example, there is one larger Baptist church in the area that does this. The earlier service is the "Traditional" service. The pastor wears a coat and tie, the hymns are traditional hymns, etc. The message is delivered in a traditional style.

The 2nd service is the "modern" service. Music is contemporary, pastor removes his coat and tie to deliver this message and may use more modern style of preaching or examples. However, the scriptures and thrust of the message remain unchanged from the traditional service.

Granted - I think a church may need to be fairly large to be able to do this.

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In that case, you have two separate churches!