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Self defense and security teams?

John of Japan

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Do you believe that self defense is a divinely given right? Therefore, is it wrong or right to have a security team for your church?

On another thread, Oseas3 seemed to be saying that it was wrong to have a church security team. When asked, all he would do is post Bible verses. Well, I have plenty of verses that say it is right to protect your church, pastor, home, etc. with physical violence if need be. Note the following points:

David wrote, " Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight" (Ps. 144:1). When I was young, an idiot told me, "Well that was just spiritual fighting." Wait, isn't this the David who was a mighty man of war, winning many battles in a long life of war? Of course it is.

Then we have Jesus, who used physical violence to drive the wicked thieves out of his own house: "12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves" (Matt. 21:12-13).

I have been a martial artist for over 50 years now, and have taught self defense to many. I believe this is biblical. I am currently on our church security team, and guard our pastor several times a month. I would willingly put myself between an attacker and our pastor and take a literal bullet for him. To anyone who opposes this kind of team, you have forgotten that Satan uses humans to do his dirty work. Since I joined the team, we have had various crimes of violence and larceny committed on our church plant. In this day and age, I recommend all churches to have a security team.

Last week a man came into a church in Wayne, Michigan, with a gun to shoot members with. He injured one before the security team got to him. Yesterday a youth was shot in a church parking lot. The list for just this year is long.

Years ago I preached in a country over near India. They had a full time security force. Members had been beaten up by Muslims on the way home from church. Much had been stolen from the hospital the ministry had, including by Muslim women in those burkas, which can hide a lot, so they had a fence all around the property.

Tell me what you think and I'll get back to you--maybe on Saturday.
 

Salty

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Well, the Bible says "Turn the other cheek" but just once -
We have a responsibility to those who attend our events
for reasonable protection.
 

JonC

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I do not believe security teams are right...but at the same time I've attended churches and were glad they were there. I just chalk it up to the hypocrite in me.
 

John of Japan

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Well, the Bible says "Turn the other cheek" but just once -
We have a responsibility to those who attend our events
for reasonable protection.
I consider the "Turn the other cheek" thing to be just a slap. You don't aim for the cheek if you want to hurt someone. A slap just leaves a little pain but can't do any damage. So a slap is an insult rather than a serious attack. But on the other hand you're right--it doesn't say turn both cheeks!
 

JonC

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That's a confusing statement! :Cautious
I don't think so.

I simply do not believe security teams (armed security) at a church is right.
But I have been in churches where it did feel safer.

What should the church do to an enemy seeking to do harm? Lovingly kill them?

At the same time I have been in areas where I felt safer with security. But how I felt has no bearing on whether it was right or wrong.
 

Salty

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Peter was armed (w/ a sword) and of course cut off the ear. (John 18)
But Jesus re-attached the ear. The purpose was "Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?" (John 18:11)

As well if he would have gone before the council and accused Peter of a crime, there was absolutely no evidence.”

But within a church service - those above listed events are not part of the equation. A church has a responsibility
to protect those in attendance.

If you believe that a church should not have a security team, (eg to prevent a mass shooting)
then you would have no problem if a church did not have its youth workers vetted by a security
company to ensure a worker would not molest a 6 year old girl!
 

David Lamb

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Peter was armed (w/ a sword) and of course cut off the ear. (John 18)
But Jesus re-attached the ear. The purpose was "Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?" (John 18:11)

As well if he would have gone before the council and accused Peter of a crime, there was absolutely no evidence.”

But within a church service - those above listed events are not part of the equation. A church has a responsibility
to protect those in attendance.

If you believe that a church should not have a security team, (eg to prevent a mass shooting)
then you would have no problem if a church did not have its youth workers vetted by a security
company to ensure a worker would not molest a 6 year old girl!
I suppose it depends to an extent on conditions where you live. Here in the UK for instance, nobody is allowed to work with children, whether in the context of a church, a secular youth club, a school, or whatever, without first having been vetted, not by a security company, but by the State. With our strict firearms regulations, shootings are rare, and mass shootings even rarer.
 

Salty

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Thank you David -
Good point - different situation in different countries.

and even the same with in the USA - Different States/Commonwealths have different laws....
 
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