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GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST

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Alex2165

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GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST​

Ephesians 1.3

Here again Paul returned back to a very important matter of hierarchy in the Highest between GOD Father and His Son. The Words "GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" reflect and indicate that Christ as a GOD also has the GOD above Him, His Father. Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.

Christ as the Image of His GOD Father: (Romans 8.29) (2Corinthians 4) (Colossians 1.15, 3.10) (Hebrews 1.3)


1Corinthians 11.3

3. "But I want you to understand that Christ is the Head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and GOD (GOD Father) is the Head of Christ."

My GOD and your GOD: (Psalm 45.7) (Micah 5.4) (John 20.17) (1Corinthians 11.3) (2Corinthians 11.31) (Ephesians 1.3) (Hebrews 1.9) (Revelation 3.2.12).

The Lord said to my Lord: (Psalm of David 110.1) (Matthew 22.43-44) (Mark 12.36) (Luke 20.42-43) (Acts 2.25.33-35).

- the Son of GOD, the Image of His Father is the Subject to His Father GOD, which Jesus Himself numerous times proclaimed in His speeches showing that He is fully subjected to His GOD Father.

Some people who do not understand hierarchy in Highest Heaven argue about this point and saying that Jesus is GOD because they have nothing else to say. Yes Jesus is GOD, to us and to everything else what exist, but not to His Father. Jesus' Father is the GOD to Jesus, and Jesus is GOD to all of us.

As Paul and others wrote, it is GOD Father Who sent Jesus to Earth, and it was GOD Father Who resurrected Jesus from the dead back to life, and everything what Jesus ever done and performed, all of that came by the power of His GOD Father.

Verse 20, like many other similar verses in the Bible shown undeniable proof that the GOD of Jesus is His Father, because the Image of GOD Jesus Christ cannot be higher or even equal to His GOD Father Who gave Him Birth.

Above all, GOD and Father of Jesus seated His Son at His right hand. This gesture always indicates from ancient times that whoever seat at the right hand of the ruler is his second man in charge, the first man in charge is always the king.

So, the point of Paul is this that Jesus Christ is the second in charge GOD to His GOD Father. The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ gave His Son everything, whole creation, and His Son Jesus Christ became GOD and Owner all over His Father's domain and in charge of it. This writing of Paul also shows that in order for us to reach Heaven of GOD Father we must go through the Door which is Jesus Christ.

PREDETERMINED CHOICE​
Ephesians 1.4

Verse 4 is another wonderful statement of Paul. Here Paul reveal that the GOD Father chose us, those who believe, have faith, and dedicated to His Son Jesus Christ, He chose us even before creation of the world! This act of selection and choice of GOD reveal knowledge and preference of certain people who already had been chosen for certain task and work even before existence of the world!

Perhaps and Abraham, from whom GOD had created a special people for Himself in order to be worshiped and serve by them, to have a priestly nation for Himself, also was predetermined and chosen long before Abraham himself was born. And so in the same way GOD perhaps include and incorporate all the peoples of the world, to be His followers due to their personal character and personality that GOD foreseen in them.

In another place of the Bible it said that the "Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (Matthew 25.34). It is also making full sense, because in order to be the Leader and GOD of the people, the certain place, in this matter the Heaven - Kingdom of GOD, must be prepared for them.

So, we are already had been in the plans of GOD even before our own existence, and the Kingdom of GOD was prepared for us even before our world was created.

~ 4. From the foundation of the world: (Revelation 13.8, 17.8) (John 17.5.24) (Ephesians 1.4).

In other words, our inheritance of the Kingdom of GOD already had been predestined by the GOD and Father of Jesus, and through the Christ's purpose and works we will enter the Kingdom with accordance of His Father's will (verse 11).

SEALED IN CHRIST​

Ephesians 1.13

"Sealed in Christ" means to live like the Christ, to speak like the Christ, to do good deeds like the Christ: (Galatians 6.4.7-10) (1Timothy 5.25) (James 2.14-26) (Hebrews 13.16).

~ 13. *Marking (sealing) GOD'S people: (Exodus 12.7.13) (Ezekiel 9.4-6) (John 3.33, 6.27) (Ephesians 1.13, 4.30) (2Corinthians 1.21-22) (2Timothy 2.19) (Revelation 7.2-8, 9.4, 14.1.9-11).

It is also may mean as a Mark of Christ, indicating that this particular person belongs only to GOD. The explanations of this verse can be many, but the point is this, that by listening to the Message of Truth - the Gospel of our salvation, and having also believe in it and in One Who delivered it to us in Jesus Christ, we now in Christ as One with Him, just like He is One with His GOD Father.

~ To be One with GOD: (John 10.30, 14.8-11, 17.11.21-23) (Ephesians 1.13, 4.3-6) (1John 2.5-6.24.27-28, 3.6.9.17.24, 4.12-16, 5.20).

~ See also: GOD dwells in your: (John 14.23) (Romans 8.9-11) (2Corinthians 13.5) (Ephesians 3.17) (1John 4.4).

THE BODY OF CHRIST​
Ephesians 1.22-23

~ 22-23. Here Paul indicated that the church is the Body of Jesus Christ, subsequently when Jesus broke the bread during His last Passover, He presented the bread as His Body to be eaten. In this case by such gesture Jesus compared the life giving ordinary bread to His Own Life Giving Body, which is like the ordinary bread, His Body gives Life to those who "consume" it, means who believe and followed Him. See related places in: (Matthew 26.26) (Mark 14.22) (Luke 22.19).
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Alex2165 said:
Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.​
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That just cannot be correct, in view of what John writes:

“1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Just in case we don't know who he means by the Word, he writes in v14:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)
 
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Dave G

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Alex2165 said:
Here again Paul returned back to a very important matter of hierarchy in the Highest between GOD Father and His Son. The Words "GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" reflect and indicate that Christ as a GOD also has the GOD above Him, His Father. Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.
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Sir, perhaps without realizing what you're saying, you've told the readers of this thread that Jesus is not God.
As I see it, this is a denial of who Jesus Christ is... God made flesh.
In other words, God the Son, who has always existed as part of the eternal Godhead:

" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. " ( 1 John 5:7-8 ).

As David Lamb mentioned above, He ( the Word ) was made flesh and dwelt among us men;
...and who did indeed claim to be God Himself:

" Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." ( John 8:56-58 ). <-----"Before Abraham was, I AM."

This same Jesus, the Word made flesh, said this to Moses:

" And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." ( Exodus 3:13-14 ). <---- Jesus, the great "I AM", speaking to Moses.

I encourage you to dig deeper into the Scriptures and see who He really is.
 
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Dave G

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Alex2165 said:
Yes Jesus is GOD, to us and to everything else what exist, but not to His Father. Jesus' Father is the GOD to Jesus, and Jesus is GOD to all of us.
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Then why does the Scripture tell us that by Jesus Christ, God made the worlds?

" God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" ( Hebrews 1:1-2 )

....and why do we know from the Scriptures that God the Father said to God the Son:

" But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." ( Hebrews 1:8-9 ) <------ God the Father gives glory to God the Son, and acknowledges that He is God by addressing Him as such.

My friend, I believe the word of God.
I do not know where you received this teaching from, but it wasn't from the Bible.
That you acknowledge that there is a spiritual hierarchy among the Godhead ( a spiritual submission to the Father that all 3 of the members have agreed to, among themselves ) is not what I find alarming...
It's that you are ( in effect ) claiming that Jesus is not God, was not God, and will not always be God.

According to the Scriptures, He is God in the flesh.


Again, I urge you to read everything that it says about who Jesus Christ is, was and will be.
Perhaps in time, this picture that you now have of Him will begin to change and be seen more clearly, in the light of additional details from His word that I believe you are currently not taking into account.


May God bless you in your studies.
 
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Alter2Ego

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Alex2165 said:
GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST​

1Corinthians 11.3

3. "But I want you to understand that Christ is the Head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and GOD (GOD Father) is the Head of Christ."

My GOD and your GOD: (Psalm 45.7) (Micah 5.4) (John 20.17) (1Corinthians 11.3) (2Corinthians 11.31) (Ephesians 1.3) (Hebrews 1.9) (Revelation 3.2.12).

The Lord said to my Lord: (Psalm of David 110.1) (Matthew 22.43-44) (Mark 12.36) (Luke 20.42-43) (Acts 2.25.33-35).

- the Son of GOD, the Image of His Father is the Subject to His Father GOD, which Jesus Himself numerous times proclaimed in His speeches showing that He is fully subjected to His GOD Father.
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Excellent observation, Alex2165.

Yes, scripture makes it clear that Jehovah the Father is superior to Jesus Christ the son. And since Jehovah is Jesus' God, then of course Jesus worships Jehovah the Father as HIS God.
 
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Alter2Ego

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Alex2165 said:
.... Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.
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David Lamb said:
That just cannot be correct, in view of what John writes:

“1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Just in case we don't know who he means by the Word, he writes in v14:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)
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Actually, David Lamb, John 1:1-3, which you quoted, is in agreement with Alex2165's statement, quoted above, when he pointed out that Jesus is an image of Almighty God but he is not the original God. Alex2165 supported his position with scripture when he cited Colossians 1:15, which I am now quoting below.

Colossians 1:15​

"He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;"

FYI: An image of something is never the original.


You didn't help your argument when you quoted John 1:14. If anything, John 1:14 actually confirms that Jesus is not equal to Jehovah the Father and that Jesus is not the original God,
 
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Alter2Ego

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Alex2165 said:
Here again Paul returned back to a very important matter of hierarchy in the Highest between GOD Father and His Son. The Words "GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" reflect and indicate that Christ as a GOD also has the GOD above Him, His Father. Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.
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Dave G said:
Sir, perhaps without realizing what you're saying, you've told the readers of this thread that Jesus is not God.
As I see it, this is a denial of who Jesus Christ is... God made flesh.
In other words, God the Son, who has always existed as part of the eternal Godhead:
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Alex2165 is actually correct. He cited scripture that supports his position.


Dave G said:
Sir, perhaps without realizing what you're saying, you've told the readers of this thread that Jesus is not God.
As I see it, this is a denial of who Jesus Christ is... God made flesh.
In other words, God the Son, who has always existed as part of the eternal Godhead:
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Please quote scripture that says Jesus (the son) has always existed. Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verse.
 
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Dave G

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Alter2Ego said:
Alex2165 is actually correct. He cited scripture that supports his position.
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No, he did not.
What he cited ( and also stated ) tries to remove the Son of God from the throne that He is on, was on, and will always be on, and places Him in the position of not being a member of the Godhead...which He is.

Further,
I respectfully disagree and ask you to re-read what I posted, and hopefully you will see that he really didn't cite Scripture to support his position, because he didn't give the people reading this thread all of the Scriptures that pertain to Who Jesus Christ actually is.
 
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Dave G

Dave G

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Alter2Ego said:
Please quote scripture that says Jesus (the son) has always existed. Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verse.
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Here are some of them:
1)
" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." ( John 1:1-3 ).

In the beginning was "the Word"...who is "the Word"? We're not directly told any of His other names in this passage.
But, we are told that not only was He with God, but that He was God.
The same "Word" was there in the beginning, when all things were made, and those things were made by "the Word".

2)
" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." ( 1 John 5:7 )

There are three that "bear record" ( testify to the truth of something, affirm the facts of something ) in Heaven...
The Father, "the Word", and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. <--- "Trinity"

Again, we're not told any of His other names in this passage, but we are told one of His names...
"The Word".
 
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Dave G

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3)
" And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth." ( John 1:14 ).

Once again, we're not told, in this passage any of His other name... but we are told that He was made flesh and dwelt among us.
We are also told, starting in the very next verse ( further down and in the context of John 1 ), who "the Word" is:

4)
" John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. " ( John 1:15-17 ).

"The Word" is Jesus Christ, who was made flesh and dwelled among men.
 
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Dave G

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So, now knowing one of God the Son's other names, I now know that "the Word" who was with God in the beginning and was God, and that all things were made by, is Jesus Christ.
In addition, yet another of His names is "Emmanuel", which means "God is with us" in the Hebrew per Isaiah 7:14 and is also referenced in Matthew 1:23.

That said,
What the OP is telling believers in Jesus Christ is not what the parts of the Bible that he left out, are telling believers...
That Jesus was God, is God, and forever will be God...
That He is God in the flesh.

Be careful, my friend, when someone denies Who Christ really is and tries to substitute something else in His place.
We as believers are told to test the Spirits, whether they be "of" ( from ) God.

One of those tests is:

" Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." ( 1 John 4:1-3 )
 
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Dave G

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@Alter2Ego
Do you think that the demons tremble ( James 2:19 ) in vain, not knowing Who He really is?
Their fear of Him is very real, because they do know...

He created them as well.

"He" is Jesus Christ, the Son of God and "the Word" made flesh, who was in the beginning with God and was God, and is exactly Who He claimed to be...
"I AM".
The same "I AM" that spoke to Moses from the burning bush, and the same "original God" as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.
Three in One.

Separate and equal, enjoying a spiritual harmony on the one hand, and a spiritual hierarchy among themselves on the other;
Difficult for us as mere men to grasp...yet it is true nonetheless.


I wish you well, and may God, in His mercy and grace, bless you in many ways.
 
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Ben1445

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Alter2Ego said:
Please quote scripture that says Jesus (the son) has always existed. Be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verse.
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Colossians 1:15-17
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Not a likeness but the very image, the exact person, the real identity of the invisible God made in the likeness of men.
 
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Van

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Here is one claim from the Opening Post:
Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.​

This claim is unbiblical and therefore false.

John 1:1 NASB
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Scripture teaches the "Word" existed in the beginning and was God, not a mirror image of the original God.

John 1:14 NASB
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Here the "Word" became flesh and dwelt among us. Thus the Word is God incarnate. In Matthew 1:21-25 we see that Jesus came to save His people, and was called God with us.

John 1:29 NASB
The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him, and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Here we see that Jesus would take away the sin of people, thus fulfilling the mission of the Word to save His people.

Now while "in the flesh" Jesus revealed God to people through his teachings and behavior and miracles, thus Jesus was the image of our invisible God, not just the Person of the Father, but of our Triune God. Colossians 1:15. And when Jesus rose from the dead, He became the firstborn of all believers who are born anew, siblings of Christ Jesus.

In summary, Jesus is God Almighty, Christ, our Savior, and our Lord.
 
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Ben Yissaachar

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Thus saith YHWH, thy Redeemer, and He that formed thee from the womb, I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens Alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by Myself; Isaiah 44:24

All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: Colossians 1:16

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But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.

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Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God , even Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.

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And, Thou, God, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands: Hebrews 1:8-10

Father~Son-Holy Spirit

Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now Adonai YHWH, and His Spirit, hath sent Me. Isaiah 48:16

In this verse the speaker is YHWH and YHWH says that He is being sent by Another YHWH and His Spirit.

After these things The Word of YHWH came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. Genesis 15:1

He sent His Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. Psalms 107:20

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
 
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JesusFan

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Alex2165 said:
GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST​

Ephesians 1.3

Here again Paul returned back to a very important matter of hierarchy in the Highest between GOD Father and His Son. The Words "GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" reflect and indicate that Christ as a GOD also has the GOD above Him, His Father. Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.

Christ as the Image of His GOD Father: (Romans 8.29) (2Corinthians 4) (Colossians 1.15, 3.10) (Hebrews 1.3)


1Corinthians 11.3

3. "But I want you to understand that Christ is the Head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and GOD (GOD Father) is the Head of Christ."

My GOD and your GOD: (Psalm 45.7) (Micah 5.4) (John 20.17) (1Corinthians 11.3) (2Corinthians 11.31) (Ephesians 1.3) (Hebrews 1.9) (Revelation 3.2.12).

The Lord said to my Lord: (Psalm of David 110.1) (Matthew 22.43-44) (Mark 12.36) (Luke 20.42-43) (Acts 2.25.33-35).

- the Son of GOD, the Image of His Father is the Subject to His Father GOD, which Jesus Himself numerous times proclaimed in His speeches showing that He is fully subjected to His GOD Father.

Some people who do not understand hierarchy in Highest Heaven argue about this point and saying that Jesus is GOD because they have nothing else to say. Yes Jesus is GOD, to us and to everything else what exist, but not to His Father. Jesus' Father is the GOD to Jesus, and Jesus is GOD to all of us.

As Paul and others wrote, it is GOD Father Who sent Jesus to Earth, and it was GOD Father Who resurrected Jesus from the dead back to life, and everything what Jesus ever done and performed, all of that came by the power of His GOD Father.

Verse 20, like many other similar verses in the Bible shown undeniable proof that the GOD of Jesus is His Father, because the Image of GOD Jesus Christ cannot be higher or even equal to His GOD Father Who gave Him Birth.

Above all, GOD and Father of Jesus seated His Son at His right hand. This gesture always indicates from ancient times that whoever seat at the right hand of the ruler is his second man in charge, the first man in charge is always the king.

So, the point of Paul is this that Jesus Christ is the second in charge GOD to His GOD Father. The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ gave His Son everything, whole creation, and His Son Jesus Christ became GOD and Owner all over His Father's domain and in charge of it. This writing of Paul also shows that in order for us to reach Heaven of GOD Father we must go through the Door which is Jesus Christ.

PREDETERMINED CHOICE​
Ephesians 1.4

Verse 4 is another wonderful statement of Paul. Here Paul reveal that the GOD Father chose us, those who believe, have faith, and dedicated to His Son Jesus Christ, He chose us even before creation of the world! This act of selection and choice of GOD reveal knowledge and preference of certain people who already had been chosen for certain task and work even before existence of the world!

Perhaps and Abraham, from whom GOD had created a special people for Himself in order to be worshiped and serve by them, to have a priestly nation for Himself, also was predetermined and chosen long before Abraham himself was born. And so in the same way GOD perhaps include and incorporate all the peoples of the world, to be His followers due to their personal character and personality that GOD foreseen in them.

In another place of the Bible it said that the "Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (Matthew 25.34). It is also making full sense, because in order to be the Leader and GOD of the people, the certain place, in this matter the Heaven - Kingdom of GOD, must be prepared for them.

So, we are already had been in the plans of GOD even before our own existence, and the Kingdom of GOD was prepared for us even before our world was created.

~ 4. From the foundation of the world: (Revelation 13.8, 17.8) (John 17.5.24) (Ephesians 1.4).

In other words, our inheritance of the Kingdom of GOD already had been predestined by the GOD and Father of Jesus, and through the Christ's purpose and works we will enter the Kingdom with accordance of His Father's will (verse 11).

SEALED IN CHRIST​

Ephesians 1.13

"Sealed in Christ" means to live like the Christ, to speak like the Christ, to do good deeds like the Christ: (Galatians 6.4.7-10) (1Timothy 5.25) (James 2.14-26) (Hebrews 13.16).

~ 13. *Marking (sealing) GOD'S people: (Exodus 12.7.13) (Ezekiel 9.4-6) (John 3.33, 6.27) (Ephesians 1.13, 4.30) (2Corinthians 1.21-22) (2Timothy 2.19) (Revelation 7.2-8, 9.4, 14.1.9-11).

It is also may mean as a Mark of Christ, indicating that this particular person belongs only to GOD. The explanations of this verse can be many, but the point is this, that by listening to the Message of Truth - the Gospel of our salvation, and having also believe in it and in One Who delivered it to us in Jesus Christ, we now in Christ as One with Him, just like He is One with His GOD Father.

~ To be One with GOD: (John 10.30, 14.8-11, 17.11.21-23) (Ephesians 1.13, 4.3-6) (1John 2.5-6.24.27-28, 3.6.9.17.24, 4.12-16, 5.20).

~ See also: GOD dwells in your: (John 14.23) (Romans 8.9-11) (2Corinthians 13.5) (Ephesians 3.17) (1John 4.4).

THE BODY OF CHRIST​
Ephesians 1.22-23

~ 22-23. Here Paul indicated that the church is the Body of Jesus Christ, subsequently when Jesus broke the bread during His last Passover, He presented the bread as His Body to be eaten. In this case by such gesture Jesus compared the life giving ordinary bread to His Own Life Giving Body, which is like the ordinary bread, His Body gives Life to those who "consume" it, means who believe and followed Him. See related places in: (Matthew 26.26) (Mark 14.22) (Luke 22.19).
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Are you into the heresy of arianism, Oneness, or unitarianism then?
 
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JesusFan

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Alter2Ego said:
Excellent observation, Alex2165.

Yes, scripture makes it clear that Jehovah the Father is superior to Jesus Christ the son. And since Jehovah is Jesus' God, then of course Jesus worships Jehovah the Father as HIS God.
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Are you a JW, or into heresy of Unitarianism or arianism?
 
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David Lamb said:
That just cannot be correct, in view of what John writes:

“1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Just in case we don't know who he means by the Word, he writes in v14:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)
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he cannot be a christian, as denying Jesus deity is damnable heresy
 
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Alter2Ego said:
Excellent observation, Alex2165.

Yes, scripture makes it clear that Jehovah the Father is superior to Jesus Christ the son. And since Jehovah is Jesus' God, then of course Jesus worships Jehovah the Father as HIS God.
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So Jesus is a mighty god to you. but not almighty God? Same heresy as Sda and JW hold and confess?
 
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